[Vision2020] grammar
roger hayes
rhayes at frontier.com
Thu Jun 9 22:10:05 PDT 2011
On Jun 9, 2011, at 9:13 PM, vision2020-request at moscow.com wrote:
> I apologize for the grammar errors. Spellcheck and tiredness to blame.
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> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 20:33:18 -0700
> From: roger hayes <rhayes at frontier.com>
> Subject: [Vision2020] Henry
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
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> Henry,
> I rather doubt that using the term "hippies," or even the ageist
> pejorative "aging hippies" angered or upset anyone reading your
> opinion. It was, however, marginalizing by grouping and
> generalization peoples' democratic right to express their opinion
> about what happens in their town that is causing duress. Think about
> it, no one uses your social sub-group as a reason the expression of
> your opinions should not be honored. This would be basis for more
> horrible social outcomes. I struggle to use words such as racism,
> sexism, ageism, or homophilia stereotyping association with your
> column, but unfortunately that's where your "humor" is leading.
> Caution with stereotyping is advised.
> On the upside, I have to say that I know you, admire you, and will
> continue reading your column because I know you understand what the
> root problem here is. And I do have a sense of humor. Keep writing
> Henry!
> Sincerely,
> Roger Hayes
> Moscow
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 20:36:04 -0700
> From: "Sue Hovey" <suehovey at moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Ex-Governors to Help Launch Idaho Education
> Task Force
> To: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>, "Moscow Vision 2020"
> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Cc: Penni Cyr <cpenni at gmail.com>
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> SOME teachers, etc....quite an understatement, don?t you think.
> There are a lot of ugly ?reforms? taking place in Fla, but I didn?t
> know Bush had any part in them.
>
> Sue H.
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> From: Tom Hansen
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 4:28 PM
> To: Moscow Vision 2020
> Cc: Penni Cyr
> Subject: [Vision2020] Ex-Governors to Help Launch Idaho Education
> Task Force
>
> Courtesy of KHQ at:
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> http://www.khq.com/Global/story.asp?S=14865744
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> Ex governors to help launch Idaho ed task force
> BOISE, Idaho (AP) - Public schools chief Tom Luna says two former
> governors will visit Idaho next week to help him kick off the first
> meeting of his technology task force.
>
> Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush and former West Virginia Gov. Bob Wise
> are expected to make presentations Tuesday when Luna's task force
> convenes at the Idaho Capitol in Boise. The task force was formed
> as part of Luna's new education reforms and the group will study
> the implementation of a laptop program for Idaho high school students.
>
> The state will also limit teachers union bargaining rights,
> introduce merit pay and shift money from salaries to classroom
> technology as part of Luna's education reforms.
>
> Some teachers, parents and students have criticized the measures,
> prompting a referendum campaign aimed at repealing them.
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> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
> Tom Hansen
>
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to
> change and the Realist adjusts his sails."
>
> - Unknown
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> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 21:08:08 -0500
> From: "deb" <debismith at moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Two Seperate Issues
> To: "Carl Westberg" <idahovandal1 at live.com>, <vision2020 at moscow.com>
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> A repeat (with a few additions) of my post from last week just for
> Hank!
>
> At this point, even though I have Canadian friends who argue the
> pros and cons in my presence, I don't have any strong opinions
> about the oil sands. I'm listening to everything and doing my
> research. So the argument that I am against big oil is not credible
> (yet).
>
> However, I have yet to hear of anyone in Idaho, except the Port of
> Lewiston, making any money from this deal, at least openly. Who
> knows what deals lined whose pockets in backrooms full of good
> brandy and shrimp cocktail.....And the Port wouldn't have made
> anything much if there had been no protests holding up the movement
> of the loads. Enough money was spent on those ridiculous lying ads
> in the Tribune to have compensated every "power outage" (from Exxon
> negligence) resident $300 each...
>
> Meantime, I live 500 yards off Highway 95 north of Moscow, and have
> an organic practices farm which produces food for the residents of
> Moscow, Pullman, Viola, and Potlatch. I watched the mess the DOT
> made of Steakhouse Hill while "making it more safe" for travelers
> going north, putting in a "passing" lane and a turn-off, only to
> increase both the speed of traveling idiots and the number of
> tragic accidents on the hill. I also know how unstable the roadside
> slopes are, particularly since the power company and the cable
> company, in cahoots with the county, clear- cut those hillsides.
> They already show signs of erosion with this wet spring. Now we may
> have huge loads rumbling through, further destabilizing the slopes.
> I don't care if those trucks are hauling Beanie Babies, Smuckers
> Jam, widgets, or paper napkins. They are a freaking menace!!
>
> I actually heard at the "mega-loads info meeting" (which I left
> after 45 minutes, knowing it was pro forma) that these loads will
> be only as noisy as a chip truck. Pardon me? At 4 am a jake-brake
> sounds like Armaggedon out here. An empty chip truck in the middle
> of the day is enough to wake the dead. We have to stop
> conversations until sixteen wheelers have passed. Of course, that
> has been a bigger problem since the clear-cut by Clearwater Power
> and TimeWarner Cable took out our sound barrier....
> I suppose it's really OK, as the people who rammed this through are
> not the ones who will be jerked out of hospital bed as the trucks
> go past Gritman, nor are they the country dwellers who get precious
> little sleep anywayand are awakened at 4 am....Blessed be those who
> pass trials and travails onto others, may they rest peacefully all
> night long....and be voted out of office ASAP.
>
> And the impact on tourism? Huge.....just the notion that Idaho
> allows this crap is enough to keep lots of tourists away....I have
> heard from friends in Delaware, Ohio, and even (surprise!) Texas
> that they plan to give Idaho a miss this year due to the mega-load-
> mess.....and Couer d'Alene is just now finding out and weighing
> in.....Ill planned, poorly executed, and very expensive for the oil
> company. Who's making money? Follow the money....
> Debi R-S
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> From: Carl Westberg
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 11:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Two Seperate Issues
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> "Can anyone on this forum say that you would still be opposed to
> loads of this size if they were large solar panels or wind turbine
> equipment?" Yes. I already have.
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> Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 09:41:06 -0700
> From: hearseboy85 at gmail.com
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: [Vision2020] Two Seperate Issues
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>
> I see that we're not going to make any progress here on this
> Megaload issue because some people can't get over the end result.
>
> I'm as concerned about the enviromental damage in Canada as many
> of you on this forum. But those concerns cannot weigh into whether
> or not the permits are issued to move said loads through Moscow if
> the laws and rules exist for other loads of the same demensions
> (though not maybe owned by oil companies) to be permitted.
>
> The basis of my opinion is about the megaloads themselves -
> height, weight, noise, damage to roadways, etc... all of which were
> deemed null issues by our police and fire chiefs and the road
> concern was deemed null by our city streets supervisor. Such loads
> are also permittable under current Idaho law/admin rules.
>
> Can anyone on this forum say that you would still be opposed to
> loads of this size if they were large solar panels or wind turbine
> equipment? If you're opposed to the loads based on the size/noise/
> etc.. regardless of use then I respect and can see your point of
> view even though its different than mine.
>
> But I won't engage in a discussion about whether or not we should
> be some sort of heros to the people of Canada by stopping these
> loads for their well being. It is my position that its not
> Moscow's position to do so.
>
> If that ends the discussion then so be it but all my opinions are
> now on the table.
>
> ***
>
> @ Joe - You're really hung up on this hippie thing and all I can
> say is get over it. I've gotten over the fact you called me an
> offensive idiot.
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