[Vision2020] Two SepArate Issues (There's a "rat" in this word)

Gier, Nicholas NGIER at uidaho.edu
Thu Jun 9 10:52:14 PDT 2011


Hi Tom,

I can't let you get away with the 4 x 4 deal, because right here on the Vision you bragged about your Ford Fusion Hybrid, which, because you drive it more often, makes up for the truck many times over.

Because of your example I've bought a Fusion Hybrid and I love it. Except the wheels have far too spokes and I'm really self-conscious about them.  Anyone want to trade less ostentatious 17 inch wheels for my Las Vegas models?

To Hank: Yes, I would object to a 200 foot wind turbine blade that weigh 500 tons.

Watching that MPG like a hawk (last trip was 43.6),

Nick

I never argued against the megaloads on the grounds of big oil, Mr. Johnston.

Heck!  Like I mentioned in an earlier post, I drive a Ford Ranger 4x4; not exactly anti-big oil, huh?

My concern relates to the absence of prior planning given to the route(s) of these megaloads.

It is my opinion that ITD and Governor Otter gave their unqualified approval long before the newspapers hit the stands.

Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho


"The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to change and the Realist adjusts his sails."

- Unknown


On Jun 9, 2011, at 10:20, "Henry D. \"Hank\" Johnston" <hearseboy85 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Betsy -
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> I didn't say I didn't care about the enviormental damage in Canada.  I think every comment I've made on this issue is to the contrary.  It is a concern and I do care.
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> But it can't weigh into the discussion about whether or not the loads can legally travel on Idaho roads if they secure the proper permits.
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> HJ
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> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 10:00 AM, Betsy Dickow <betsyd at turbonet.com> wrote:
> Henry,
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> This is a little bit like saying one shouldn't care about genocide in Rwanda, Bosnia, the Middle East, concentration camps in WWII, starvation..because it doesn't affect "me".but it does,
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> any human activity which harms others, should be of concern to all of us.  That is what makes us decent human beings .that, and our ability to act and react in order to protect others.
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> Think about it a bit more.
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> Betsy Dickow
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> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Henry D. "Hank" Johnston
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 9:41 AM
> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: [Vision2020] Two Seperate Issues
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> I see that we're not going to make any progress here on this Megaload issue because some people can't get over the end result.
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> I'm as concerned about the enviromental damage in Canada as many of you on this forum.  But those concerns cannot weigh into whether or not the permits are issued to move said loads through Moscow if the laws and rules exist for other loads of the same demensions (though not maybe owned by oil companies) to be permitted.
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> The basis of my opinion is about the megaloads themselves - height, weight, noise, damage to roadways, etc... all of which were deemed null issues by our police and fire chiefs and the road concern was deemed null by our city streets supervisor.  Such loads are also permittable under current Idaho law/admin rules.
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> Can anyone on this forum say that you would still be opposed to loads of this size if they were large solar panels or wind turbine equipment?  If you're opposed to the loads based on the size/noise/etc.. regardless of use then I respect and can see your point of view even though its different than mine.
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> But I won't engage in a discussion about whether or not we should be some sort of heros to the people of Canada by stopping these loads for their well being.  It is my position that its not Moscow's position to do so.
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> If that ends the discussion then so be it but all my opinions are now on the table.
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> @ Joe - You're really hung up on this hippie thing and all I can say is get over it.  I've gotten over the fact you called me an offensive idiot.
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