[Vision2020] My Column / Megaloads & Hippies

[Carl Westberg]

Well, whether you're using the term "hippies" or not, I'm currently looking for my wide wale corduroy bell bottoms, paisley shirts, Beatle boots, and Nehru jacket.  I know I put them somewhere, but it was in 1970, so I can't remember where they are.  Oh, and my headband, where did I put my headband?

Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 09:05:13 -0700
From: godshatter at yahoo.com
To: philosopher.joe at gmail.com
CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] My Column / Megaloads & Hippies



There are concerns in this debate that are not related to environmentalism, anti-capitalism, and other concerns that relate directly to Exxon-Mobil and the Kearl oil sands project.  I acknowledge that, and I even agree with some of these other concerns that have been brought up.  There are also a lot of concerns being expressed that *do* relate to those topics, though, which is what I'm taking issue with.

Remember that I'm not the one that called you all a bunch of hippies.  I just happen to agree with his main point.

Paul

From: Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
To: Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
Cc: Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com>; vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Wed, June 8, 2011 7:21:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] My Column / Megaloads & Hippies


Paul you're missing the point that a lot of the outrage has nothing to do with environmentalism. In truth, there is a lot at stake environmentally speaking (as Ted and others have noted) but I don't want to get into that because my main gripe in this issue is the way its been handled by council. Some people -- many people in Moscow I bet -- think this is an important issue worthy of discussion and opportunities for genuine public discussion on the matter have been (so far) thwarted. The council didn't let the public talk and ask questions about the issue, they steamrolled it. Now both you and Hank are trying to sweep a whole set of diverse and meaningful concerns under the same offensive heading -- the concerns of "hippies" and radical anti-environmentalists. The fact that friends of mine don't like the traffic early in the morning less than 1 block from where their two kids sleep -- just to name
 one concern that I've heard (a concern that has been raised on the V as well) -- is all covered because these are the concerns of radical, communist hippies. What an offensive, arrogant bunch of bull. 


You and Hank should read the posts by Carl and Saundra and others, which raise a spectrum of non-environmentalist concerns, a bit more carefully. Otherwise I get to sweep you, Hank, and the council under the heading of "offensive idiot." I don't see why you get to use that rhetorical trick -- sweeping a set of diverse arguments and opinions under one offensive heading -- but somehow it is off limits to me. As I've always said, politics is a game the rules of which are determined by your opponent.


On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 6:45 AM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:

On 06/08/2011 12:18 AM, Ted Moffett wrote:

> Note he does not address any of the objections expressed on

> Vision2020, to the facts or logic in his column, in his response on

> Vision2020.



On the other hand, I haven't seen anyone here address his main point,

i.e. that the highways are public and the need for a special permit

because of large load size shouldn't be used as an excuse to

discriminate against businesses that some people disagree with.



I'm not necessarily behind giving the megaloads a free pass, since I

think that Sunil's points about the noise and the lack of public input

at the council meeting are good ones, but I do think that if people here

object to the Kearl oil sands project there are better ways of

expressing that opinion than to throw bureaucratic roadblocks (no pun

intended) in their way just because we have the opportunity to do so.



Paul



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