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Paul Rumelhart godshatter at yahoo.com
Tue Jan 18 10:52:44 PST 2011


Like, who would agree with that Rumelhart guy, anyway?

Paul




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From: Art Deco <deco at moscow.com>
To: Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Tue, January 18, 2011 10:40:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] (no subject)

  
Further evidence.
----- Original Message ----- 
>From: lfalen 
>To: Art Deco ; Vision 2020 
>Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 10:00    AM
>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] (no    subject)
>
>No, I do not get your drift.
>Roger
>-----Original    message-----
>From: "Art Deco" deco at moscow.com
>Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011    13:37:30 -0800
>To: "Vision 2020" vision2020 at moscow.com
>Subject: Re:    [Vision2020] (no subject)
>
>> Roger's post below is not a kudos of    Rumelhart's posts; rather a 
>>condemnation (if you get the drift).
>> 
>> w.
>>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>>   From: lfalen 
>>   To: Paul Rumelhart ;    Andreas Schou 
>>   Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com 
>>   Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:11    PM
>>   Subject: Re: [Vision2020] (no subject)
>> 
>> 
>>   I think that you are one of the most reasonable people    who post here and I 
>>agree with about 90% of your posts.
>>      Roger
>>   -----Original message-----
>>   From:    Paul Rumelhart godshatter at yahoo.com
>>      Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 21:50:07 -0800
>>   To: Andreas Schou ophite at gmail.com
>>      Subject: Re: [Vision2020] (no subject)
>> 
>>   > 
>>   > I tend to annoy everybody, I think.  It's a    special trait of mine.
>>   > 
>>   > I    haven't met very many people on the list in real life.  I know Sue 
>>   > Hovey, I've met Nick Gier, and I've talked to Keely    on the phone.
>>   > 
>>   > I miss some    of the old-timers that haven't been around in a while.  Is 

>>   > Chasuk still around somewhere?  There have been    periods of time where I 
>
>>   > haven't followed the list as    much as I'd like, so maybe I just haven't 

>>   > seen his    posts.
>>   > 
>>   > Although Ted and I    are constantly beating our heads against each other, 
>
>>   >    I respect his character and can confidently say that he's a principled 

>>   > person who cares deeply about the environment.     Nothing wrong with 
>>   > that.  As I tend to get a    bit snarky in my responses far too regularly, 
>
>>   > I    apologize to him now for the many sarcastic and unfriendly remarks 
>>   > I've made over the years.
>>   > 
>>   > I've talked with Gary both on and off the list (a    few times, anyway) and 
>>
>>   > find him to be a good    guy.  He calls them like he sees them, and I 
>>   >    respect that.  My path over the last few years is one of realizing that 
>
>>   > even people you differ with have important things to    say and that 
>>   > everything is not so black and white as    people try to make it appear.  

>>   > My opinion of    Gary has changed for the better since I've interacted with 
>>
>>   > him, and that can only be a good    sign.
>>   > 
>>   > Apart from the last    few weeks, I haven't interacted with Joe that much, 
>
>>   >    but I appreciate the civil discourse we've had, even though we both 
>>   > probably shriek at the walls various unflattering    remarks about each 
>>   > other after a long    back-and-forth.  He's an intelligent guy, and he also 
>>
>>   > calls 'em like he sees 'em, too.  That's a good    thing.
>>   > 
>>   > I've had some good    conversations with Donovan, and find him to be a nice 
>>
>>      > guy.
>>   > 
>>   > Andreas is one of    the more reasonable posters on the list, I enjoy his 

>>   >    posts when I see them.  He seems level-headed and intelligent and wise, 
>
>>   > really.
>>   > 
>>   > I enjoy Tom's humorous posts, and appreciate the    work he does for the 
>>   > community.  I'm not as big    a fan of cats as he is, though.  Don't hate 

>>   >    them, mind you, but I'm not as enamored of them.
>>   > 
>>   > I enjoy Keely's posts, even though we often disagree    about some things.  
>>
>>   > I also enjoy Nicks posts,    they are very thought-provoking.  There are 
>>   >    lots of others I'm missing, I'm sure.  Reggie, Roger, Wayne, Jeff, Dan, 
>
>>   > Dave, Deb, and others.  All of them nice people    who think I'm a 
>>fruitcake ;)
>>   > 
>>      > It certainly doesn't hurt to take a break from the mud-slinging and to 

>>   > realize that real people actually exist behind their    on-line personas.  
>
>>   > This list is an    enigma.  It's full of generally nice people who like to 
>
>>   > yell at each other all the time.  It must be    the dehumanizing properties 
>>
>>   > of the email medium, I    guess.
>>   > 
>>   > Ah well, back to the    mudslinging, I say!
>>   > 
>>   >    Paul
>>   > 
>>   > Andreas Schou    wrote:
>>   > > Gary's one of a very small number of    conservative commentators that
>>   > > I've managed to    read consistently since I first became politically
>>   >    > aware. In part, this may be due to the fact that he is one of a    
>>very
>>   > > small number of conservative commentators    whom I may annoy precisely
>>   > > as much as he annoys    me. But, even where I think he's wrong, he's at
>>   > >    least responsive.
>>   > >
>>   > >    He's also a damn good locksmith and, as far as I've heard    and
>>   > > experienced, a decent human. I only disagree    with him about matters 
>of
>>   > > life, death, and    whether and how the government should acquire and
>>   >    > spend trillions of dollars. Other than that, we're cool. And he's    
>>not
>>   > > the only conservative here that's made a    positive contribution to 
the
>>   > >    community.
>>   > >
>>   > > Many of    you know my wife had a brain tumor a couple of years ago    
>>and
>>   > > nearly died. I was in Seattle for most of    the relevant period, but I
>>   > > received an    unsolicited offer from Doug Farris to bring over
>>   > >    casseroles and whatnot. I couldn't take him up on it (because    I
>>   > > suspect his offer didn't extend to driving the    casseroles to 
>Seattle),
>>   > > but I appreciated it    more than he knows. And I was genuinely sorry 
to
>>   > >    hear that Pat Kraut died; in all of my professional dealings with    
>>her,
>>   > > through the Nazarene church, she genuinely    enacted the charitable
>>   > > values we so vehemently    disagreed about  the government enacting.
>>   >    >
>>   > > I don't know the rest of the conservatives    here as well. Glenn isn't 
>a
>>   > > real person (though    I once had a perfectly civil lunch with the 
>person
>>   >    > I believe he is). Donovan Arnold probably wouldn't kick a puppy    
>>unless
>>   > > the puppy really had it coming. Jeff    Harkins is sometimes genuinely
>>   > > helpful, and    bright and dedicated, if sometimes glib.
>>   >    >
>>   > > I realize that it'll soon be time to get    back to shouting at each
>>   > > other. As we should.    Isn't that why we're all here? (Maybe not Paul.
>>   > >    He doesn't seem like a crank. I mean that as a compliment.) But in    
>>the
>>   > > spirit Dear Leader proposes, I think taking    a moment to appreciate 
>the
>>   > > people we will soon    be throwing rotten fruit at seems appropriate.
>>   >    >
>>   > > -- ACS
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