[Vision2020] (no subject)

[lfalen]

No, I do not get your drift.
Roger
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From: "Art Deco" deco at moscow.com
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 13:37:30 -0800
To: "Vision 2020" vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] (no subject)

> Roger's post below is not a kudos of Rumelhart's posts; rather a condemnation (if you get the drift).
> 
> w.
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: lfalen 
>   To: Paul Rumelhart ; Andreas Schou 
>   Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com 
>   Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:11 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Vision2020] (no subject)
> 
> 
>   I think that you are one of the most reasonable people who post here and I agree with about 90% of your posts.
>   Roger
>   -----Original message-----
>   From: Paul Rumelhart godshatter at yahoo.com
>   Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 21:50:07 -0800
>   To: Andreas Schou ophite at gmail.com
>   Subject: Re: [Vision2020] (no subject)
> 
>   > 
>   > I tend to annoy everybody, I think.  It's a special trait of mine.
>   > 
>   > I haven't met very many people on the list in real life.  I know Sue 
>   > Hovey, I've met Nick Gier, and I've talked to Keely on the phone.
>   > 
>   > I miss some of the old-timers that haven't been around in a while.  Is 
>   > Chasuk still around somewhere?  There have been periods of time where I 
>   > haven't followed the list as much as I'd like, so maybe I just haven't 
>   > seen his posts.
>   > 
>   > Although Ted and I are constantly beating our heads against each other, 
>   > I respect his character and can confidently say that he's a principled 
>   > person who cares deeply about the environment.  Nothing wrong with 
>   > that.  As I tend to get a bit snarky in my responses far too regularly, 
>   > I apologize to him now for the many sarcastic and unfriendly remarks 
>   > I've made over the years.
>   > 
>   > I've talked with Gary both on and off the list (a few times, anyway) and 
>   > find him to be a good guy.  He calls them like he sees them, and I 
>   > respect that.  My path over the last few years is one of realizing that 
>   > even people you differ with have important things to say and that 
>   > everything is not so black and white as people try to make it appear.  
>   > My opinion of Gary has changed for the better since I've interacted with 
>   > him, and that can only be a good sign.
>   > 
>   > Apart from the last few weeks, I haven't interacted with Joe that much, 
>   > but I appreciate the civil discourse we've had, even though we both 
>   > probably shriek at the walls various unflattering remarks about each 
>   > other after a long back-and-forth.  He's an intelligent guy, and he also 
>   > calls 'em like he sees 'em, too.  That's a good thing.
>   > 
>   > I've had some good conversations with Donovan, and find him to be a nice 
>   > guy.
>   > 
>   > Andreas is one of the more reasonable posters on the list, I enjoy his 
>   > posts when I see them.  He seems level-headed and intelligent and wise, 
>   > really.
>   > 
>   > I enjoy Tom's humorous posts, and appreciate the work he does for the 
>   > community.  I'm not as big a fan of cats as he is, though.  Don't hate 
>   > them, mind you, but I'm not as enamored of them.
>   > 
>   > I enjoy Keely's posts, even though we often disagree about some things.  
>   > I also enjoy Nicks posts, they are very thought-provoking.  There are 
>   > lots of others I'm missing, I'm sure.  Reggie, Roger, Wayne, Jeff, Dan, 
>   > Dave, Deb, and others.  All of them nice people who think I'm a fruitcake ;)
>   > 
>   > It certainly doesn't hurt to take a break from the mud-slinging and to 
>   > realize that real people actually exist behind their on-line personas.  
>   > This list is an enigma.  It's full of generally nice people who like to 
>   > yell at each other all the time.  It must be the dehumanizing properties 
>   > of the email medium, I guess.
>   > 
>   > Ah well, back to the mudslinging, I say!
>   > 
>   > Paul
>   > 
>   > Andreas Schou wrote:
>   > > Gary's one of a very small number of conservative commentators that
>   > > I've managed to read consistently since I first became politically
>   > > aware. In part, this may be due to the fact that he is one of a very
>   > > small number of conservative commentators whom I may annoy precisely
>   > > as much as he annoys me. But, even where I think he's wrong, he's at
>   > > least responsive.
>   > >
>   > > He's also a damn good locksmith and, as far as I've heard and
>   > > experienced, a decent human. I only disagree with him about matters of
>   > > life, death, and whether and how the government should acquire and
>   > > spend trillions of dollars. Other than that, we're cool. And he's not
>   > > the only conservative here that's made a positive contribution to the
>   > > community.
>   > >
>   > > Many of you know my wife had a brain tumor a couple of years ago and
>   > > nearly died. I was in Seattle for most of the relevant period, but I
>   > > received an unsolicited offer from Doug Farris to bring over
>   > > casseroles and whatnot. I couldn't take him up on it (because I
>   > > suspect his offer didn't extend to driving the casseroles to Seattle),
>   > > but I appreciated it more than he knows. And I was genuinely sorry to
>   > > hear that Pat Kraut died; in all of my professional dealings with her,
>   > > through the Nazarene church, she genuinely enacted the charitable
>   > > values we so vehemently disagreed about  the government enacting.
>   > >
>   > > I don't know the rest of the conservatives here as well. Glenn isn't a
>   > > real person (though I once had a perfectly civil lunch with the person
>   > > I believe he is). Donovan Arnold probably wouldn't kick a puppy unless
>   > > the puppy really had it coming. Jeff Harkins is sometimes genuinely
>   > > helpful, and bright and dedicated, if sometimes glib.
>   > >
>   > > I realize that it'll soon be time to get back to shouting at each
>   > > other. As we should. Isn't that why we're all here? (Maybe not Paul.
>   > > He doesn't seem like a crank. I mean that as a compliment.) But in the
>   > > spirit Dear Leader proposes, I think taking a moment to appreciate the
>   > > people we will soon be throwing rotten fruit at seems appropriate.
>   > >
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