[Vision2020] (no subject)

Fri Jan 14 20:37:03 PST 2011

I'm sorry to hear of your father's death, Paul, and I imagine the holidays were made especially difficult with such a painful loss.  Undoubtedly, though, your dad was aware of your character and intelligence and took pride in being your father.  May that comfort you during difficult days ahead --

Keely
www.keely-prevailingwinds.com

> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 20:01:18 -0800
> From: godshatter at yahoo.com
> To: kjajmix1 at msn.com
> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] (no subject)
> 
> 
> You're welcome, Keely.  You're a really nice person and I've enjoyed 
> conversing with you over the years.  Sure, we disagree occasionally, but 
> life would be very boring if we all agreed all the time.
> 
> I'm especially sympathetic to such a tragedy lately, since I lost my 
> father to cancer a couple of months ago.  Death is a part of life, but I 
> wish that needless deaths like those in Tuscon could be avoided more 
> easily.  At this point, all we can do is learn what we can from it and 
> do what we can to avoid the next one.
> 
> Paul
> 
> keely emerinemix wrote:
> > In one of those really weird coincidences that happen often, I was 
> > thinking this morning, before I read anything online or elsewhere, of 
> > writing Paul a note to thank him for his very kind words of condolence 
> > to me after the shootings in Tucson.  I realized I hadn't paid much 
> > appreciative attention to his supporting words and instead answered 
> > his perspective, with which I disagreed, on what provokes the 
> > political and social climate that I think precipitates acts of 
> > violence like this.  I intended, once dinner was done, to sit down and 
> > drop him a line -- and now, here we are.
> >
> > So, Paul, while this would've been off-list earlier, I do want to 
> > thank you for words you wrote after my initial "Tucson shooting" post 
> > that expressed what came across as genuinely heartfelt sympathy for 
> > the losses I was anticipating for my mother, as well as for my grief 
> > about the whole tragedy.  I've said before that you seem to be a more 
> > than decent guy, and this time I was the recipient of that decency, 
> > which is all the more appreciated because you offered it to me even 
> > while disagreeing with me.  Thank you. 
> >
> > I like this thread . . .
> >
> > Keely
> > www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 20:50:07 -0800
> > > From: godshatter at yahoo.com
> > > To: ophite at gmail.com
> > > CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] (no subject)
> > >
> > >
> > > I tend to annoy everybody, I think. It's a special trait of mine.
> > >
> > > I haven't met very many people on the list in real life. I know Sue
> > > Hovey, I've met Nick Gier, and I've talked to Keely on the phone.
> > >
> > > I miss some of the old-timers that haven't been around in a while. Is
> > > Chasuk still around somewhere? There have been periods of time where I
> > > haven't followed the list as much as I'd like, so maybe I just haven't
> > > seen his posts.
> > >
> > > Although Ted and I are constantly beating our heads against each other,
> > > I respect his character and can confidently say that he's a principled
> > > person who cares deeply about the environment. Nothing wrong with
> > > that. As I tend to get a bit snarky in my responses far too regularly,
> > > I apologize to him now for the many sarcastic and unfriendly remarks
> > > I've made over the years.
> > >
> > > I've talked with Gary both on and off the list (a few times, anyway) 
> > and
> > > find him to be a good guy. He calls them like he sees them, and I
> > > respect that. My path over the last few years is one of realizing that
> > > even people you differ with have important things to say and that
> > > everything is not so black and white as people try to make it appear.
> > > My opinion of Gary has changed for the better since I've interacted 
> > with
> > > him, and that can only be a good sign.
> > >
> > > Apart from the last few weeks, I haven't interacted with Joe that much,
> > > but I appreciate the civil discourse we've had, even though we both
> > > probably shriek at the walls various unflattering remarks about each
> > > other after a long back-and-forth. He's an intelligent guy, and he also
> > > calls 'em like he sees 'em, too. That's a good thing.
> > >
> > > I've had some good conversations with Donovan, and find him to be a 
> > nice
> > > guy.
> > >
> > > Andreas is one of the more reasonable posters on the list, I enjoy his
> > > posts when I see them. He seems level-headed and intelligent and wise,
> > > really.
> > >
> > > I enjoy Tom's humorous posts, and appreciate the work he does for the
> > > community. I'm not as big a fan of cats as he is, though. Don't hate
> > > them, mind you, but I'm not as enamored of them.
> > >
> > > I enjoy Keely's posts, even though we often disagree about some things.
> > > I also enjoy Nicks posts, they are very thought-provoking. There are
> > > lots of others I'm missing, I'm sure. Reggie, Roger, Wayne, Jeff, Dan,
> > > Dave, Deb, and others. All of them nice people who think I'm a 
> > fruitcake ;)
> > >
> > > It certainly doesn't hurt to take a break from the mud-slinging and to
> > > realize that real people actually exist behind their on-line personas.
> > > This list is an enigma. It's full of generally nice people who like to
> > > yell at each other all the time. It must be the dehumanizing properties
> > > of the email medium, I guess.
> > >
> > > Ah well, back to the mudslinging, I say!
> > >
> > > Paul
> > >
> > > Andreas Schou wrote:
> > > > Gary's one of a very small number of conservative commentators that
> > > > I've managed to read consistently since I first became politically
> > > > aware. In part, this may be due to the fact that he is one of a very
> > > > small number of conservative commentators whom I may annoy precisely
> > > > as much as he annoys me. But, even where I think he's wrong, he's at
> > > > least responsive.
> > > >
> > > > He's also a damn good locksmith and, as far as I've heard and
> > > > experienced, a decent human. I only disagree with him about matters of
> > > > life, death, and whether and how the government should acquire and
> > > > spend trillions of dollars. Other than that, we're cool. And he's not
> > > > the only conservative here that's made a positive contribution to the
> > > > community.
> > > >
> > > > Many of you know my wife had a brain tumor a couple of years ago and
> > > > nearly died. I was in Seattle for most of the relevant period, but I
> > > > received an unsolicited offer from Doug Farris to bring over
> > > > casseroles and whatnot. I couldn't take him up on it (because I
> > > > suspect his offer didn't extend to driving the casseroles to Seattle),
> > > > but I appreciated it more than he knows. And I was genuinely sorry to
> > > > hear that Pat Kraut died; in all of my professional dealings with her,
> > > > through the Nazarene church, she genuinely enacted the charitable
> > > > values we so vehemently disagreed about the government enacting.
> > > >
> > > > I don't know the rest of the conservatives here as well. Glenn isn't a
> > > > real person (though I once had a perfectly civil lunch with the person
> > > > I believe he is). Donovan Arnold probably wouldn't kick a puppy unless
> > > > the puppy really had it coming. Jeff Harkins is sometimes genuinely
> > > > helpful, and bright and dedicated, if sometimes glib.
> > > >
> > > > I realize that it'll soon be time to get back to shouting at each
> > > > other. As we should. Isn't that why we're all here? (Maybe not Paul.
> > > > He doesn't seem like a crank. I mean that as a compliment.) But in the
> > > > spirit Dear Leader proposes, I think taking a moment to appreciate the
> > > > people we will soon be throwing rotten fruit at seems appropriate.
> > > >
> > > > -- ACS
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