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I'm sorry to hear of your father's death, Paul, and I imagine the holidays were made especially difficult with such a painful loss. Undoubtedly, though, your dad was aware of your character and intelligence and took pride in being your father. May that comfort you during difficult days ahead --<br><br><font style="" color="#8064a2"><font style="font-size: 12pt;" size="3"><font style="" face="Verdana">Keely<br>www.keely-prevailingwinds.com<br></font></font></font><br><br><br><br>> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 20:01:18 -0800<br>> From: godshatter@yahoo.com<br>> To: kjajmix1@msn.com<br>> CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] (no subject)<br>> <br>> <br>> You're welcome, Keely. You're a really nice person and I've enjoyed <br>> conversing with you over the years. Sure, we disagree occasionally, but <br>> life would be very boring if we all agreed all the time.<br>> <br>> I'm especially sympathetic to such a tragedy lately, since I lost my <br>> father to cancer a couple of months ago. Death is a part of life, but I <br>> wish that needless deaths like those in Tuscon could be avoided more <br>> easily. At this point, all we can do is learn what we can from it and <br>> do what we can to avoid the next one.<br>> <br>> Paul<br>> <br>> keely emerinemix wrote:<br>> > In one of those really weird coincidences that happen often, I was <br>> > thinking this morning, before I read anything online or elsewhere, of <br>> > writing Paul a note to thank him for his very kind words of condolence <br>> > to me after the shootings in Tucson. I realized I hadn't paid much <br>> > appreciative attention to his supporting words and instead answered <br>> > his perspective, with which I disagreed, on what provokes the <br>> > political and social climate that I think precipitates acts of <br>> > violence like this. I intended, once dinner was done, to sit down and <br>> > drop him a line -- and now, here we are.<br>> ><br>> > So, Paul, while this would've been off-list earlier, I do want to <br>> > thank you for words you wrote after my initial "Tucson shooting" post <br>> > that expressed what came across as genuinely heartfelt sympathy for <br>> > the losses I was anticipating for my mother, as well as for my grief <br>> > about the whole tragedy. I've said before that you seem to be a more <br>> > than decent guy, and this time I was the recipient of that decency, <br>> > which is all the more appreciated because you offered it to me even <br>> > while disagreeing with me. Thank you. <br>> ><br>> > I like this thread . . .<br>> ><br>> > Keely<br>> > www.keely-prevailingwinds.com<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > > Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 20:50:07 -0800<br>> > > From: godshatter@yahoo.com<br>> > > To: ophite@gmail.com<br>> > > CC: vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] (no subject)<br>> > ><br>> > ><br>> > > I tend to annoy everybody, I think. It's a special trait of mine.<br>> > ><br>> > > I haven't met very many people on the list in real life. I know Sue<br>> > > Hovey, I've met Nick Gier, and I've talked to Keely on the phone.<br>> > ><br>> > > I miss some of the old-timers that haven't been around in a while. Is<br>> > > Chasuk still around somewhere? There have been periods of time where I<br>> > > haven't followed the list as much as I'd like, so maybe I just haven't<br>> > > seen his posts.<br>> > ><br>> > > Although Ted and I are constantly beating our heads against each other,<br>> > > I respect his character and can confidently say that he's a principled<br>> > > person who cares deeply about the environment. Nothing wrong with<br>> > > that. As I tend to get a bit snarky in my responses far too regularly,<br>> > > I apologize to him now for the many sarcastic and unfriendly remarks<br>> > > I've made over the years.<br>> > ><br>> > > I've talked with Gary both on and off the list (a few times, anyway) <br>> > and<br>> > > find him to be a good guy. He calls them like he sees them, and I<br>> > > respect that. My path over the last few years is one of realizing that<br>> > > even people you differ with have important things to say and that<br>> > > everything is not so black and white as people try to make it appear.<br>> > > My opinion of Gary has changed for the better since I've interacted <br>> > with<br>> > > him, and that can only be a good sign.<br>> > ><br>> > > Apart from the last few weeks, I haven't interacted with Joe that much,<br>> > > but I appreciate the civil discourse we've had, even though we both<br>> > > probably shriek at the walls various unflattering remarks about each<br>> > > other after a long back-and-forth. He's an intelligent guy, and he also<br>> > > calls 'em like he sees 'em, too. That's a good thing.<br>> > ><br>> > > I've had some good conversations with Donovan, and find him to be a <br>> > nice<br>> > > guy.<br>> > ><br>> > > Andreas is one of the more reasonable posters on the list, I enjoy his<br>> > > posts when I see them. He seems level-headed and intelligent and wise,<br>> > > really.<br>> > ><br>> > > I enjoy Tom's humorous posts, and appreciate the work he does for the<br>> > > community. I'm not as big a fan of cats as he is, though. Don't hate<br>> > > them, mind you, but I'm not as enamored of them.<br>> > ><br>> > > I enjoy Keely's posts, even though we often disagree about some things.<br>> > > I also enjoy Nicks posts, they are very thought-provoking. There are<br>> > > lots of others I'm missing, I'm sure. Reggie, Roger, Wayne, Jeff, Dan,<br>> > > Dave, Deb, and others. All of them nice people who think I'm a <br>> > fruitcake ;)<br>> > ><br>> > > It certainly doesn't hurt to take a break from the mud-slinging and to<br>> > > realize that real people actually exist behind their on-line personas.<br>> > > This list is an enigma. It's full of generally nice people who like to<br>> > > yell at each other all the time. It must be the dehumanizing properties<br>> > > of the email medium, I guess.<br>> > ><br>> > > Ah well, back to the mudslinging, I say!<br>> > ><br>> > > Paul<br>> > ><br>> > > Andreas Schou wrote:<br>> > > > Gary's one of a very small number of conservative commentators that<br>> > > > I've managed to read consistently since I first became politically<br>> > > > aware. In part, this may be due to the fact that he is one of a very<br>> > > > small number of conservative commentators whom I may annoy precisely<br>> > > > as much as he annoys me. But, even where I think he's wrong, he's at<br>> > > > least responsive.<br>> > > ><br>> > > > He's also a damn good locksmith and, as far as I've heard and<br>> > > > experienced, a decent human. I only disagree with him about matters of<br>> > > > life, death, and whether and how the government should acquire and<br>> > > > spend trillions of dollars. Other than that, we're cool. And he's not<br>> > > > the only conservative here that's made a positive contribution to the<br>> > > > community.<br>> > > ><br>> > > > Many of you know my wife had a brain tumor a couple of years ago and<br>> > > > nearly died. I was in Seattle for most of the relevant period, but I<br>> > > > received an unsolicited offer from Doug Farris to bring over<br>> > > > casseroles and whatnot. I couldn't take him up on it (because I<br>> > > > suspect his offer didn't extend to driving the casseroles to Seattle),<br>> > > > but I appreciated it more than he knows. And I was genuinely sorry to<br>> > > > hear that Pat Kraut died; in all of my professional dealings with her,<br>> > > > through the Nazarene church, she genuinely enacted the charitable<br>> > > > values we so vehemently disagreed about the government enacting.<br>> > > ><br>> > > > I don't know the rest of the conservatives here as well. Glenn isn't a<br>> > > > real person (though I once had a perfectly civil lunch with the person<br>> > > > I believe he is). Donovan Arnold probably wouldn't kick a puppy unless<br>> > > > the puppy really had it coming. Jeff Harkins is sometimes genuinely<br>> > > > helpful, and bright and dedicated, if sometimes glib.<br>> > > ><br>> > > > I realize that it'll soon be time to get back to shouting at each<br>> > > > other. As we should. Isn't that why we're all here? (Maybe not Paul.<br>> > > > He doesn't seem like a crank. I mean that as a compliment.) But in the<br>> > > > spirit Dear Leader proposes, I think taking a moment to appreciate the<br>> > > > people we will soon be throwing rotten fruit at seems appropriate.<br>> > > ><br>> > > > -- ACS<br>> > > ><br>> > > > =======================================================<br>> > > > List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> > > > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> > > > http://www.fsr.net<br>> > > > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > > > =======================================================<br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > ><br>> > > =======================================================<br>> > > List services made available by First Step Internet,<br>> > > serving the communities of the Palouse since 1994.<br>> > > http://www.fsr.net<br>> > > mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com<br>> > > =======================================================<br>> <br> </body>
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