[Vision2020] (no subject)

Thu Jan 13 22:33:05 PST 2011

I haven't the inclination to engage in a did too/did not discussion with Mr. Campbell on this topic. I will say to him that he has my complete permission to release any and all private e-mail pertaining to this or any other topic. I also invite anyone who cares to take a stroll back through the vision 20/20 archives to 18 May 2006 and read under the subject heading "thin skinned." http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-May/029780.html I think you will find events significantly different from those described. The most glaring discrepancies being:

>No private e-mail detailing phobias 
> No threats from me regarding flyers (or anything else) 
>No selective release of information to Dale Courtney or any other community members
>Nothing out of context as I reprinted the post exactly as I received it

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From: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 7:41 PM
To: "deb" <debismith at moscow.com>
Cc: "Gary Crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] (no subject)

> I'm fine with this, Deb and thankful for the post! I've had a number
> of friends of mine who have made similar comments about Gary as a
> businessman. A rather large number, in fact, with stories very similar
> to this in all respects.
> 
> To be honest, I still kind of like him. He is blunt, like I am, and I
> appreciate that. But he has never had a civil thing to say to me. Not
> once. He is completely hostile and hateful. I've tried to be nice on a
> few occasions but it is difficult to keep it up. And if you look
> carefully, each time I've called him a "jackass" it was in response to
> something that was completely out of line, something different from
> the usual insults which are contained in every single response he ever
> makes to me. For Christ sakes, yesterday he accused me of being happy
> about the Tucson shooting. That is just way over the line.
> 
> I've said this before and I'll repeat it. A long time ago Gary and I
> shared some offline correspondence for over a week or two. I made a
> huge mistake of revealing several things about my personal life and
> past history to explain my anger about some of his posts: that I had a
> sister who is now dead who was a lesbian; that I spent most of my life
> poor and had a constant, irrational fear of loosing my job and
> returning to that state of poverty; that for this reason I disliked
> people talking about my job in political discussion; etc.
> 
> It isn't just that he exploited these and other weaknesses of mine but
> in fact shared this private information with several local
> conservatives who have been harassing me with those insults ever
> since. If you don't believe me, just look carefully at the exchanges
> from a few years ago, and look at previous posts about me on RightMind
> as well as the Daily News website. It's a matter of record for anyone
> who would care to look it up.
> 
> It was during this exchange, when Crabtree threatened to come over to
> WSU and pass out flyers about how irrational I was that I wrote back
> threatening to punch him in the nose if he didn't shut up. He then
> shared that message with Dale Courtney who posted it out of context on
> RightMind. And even though I made a public apology on the V, the
> original letter (out of context) comes up there and here and on the
> Daily News website on a regular basis. It was repeated on RightMind
> recently, when I was complaining about the violent rhetoric of NSA.
> 
> So even though I sort of like him, sort of respect him I have a hard
> time maintaining a civil relationship with Mr. Crabtree. But that's
> me. I can see why others like him and I have no problem with that.
> 
> I do kind of wish that you had a problem with truth tables, or the
> history of philosophy today and had run into me!
> 
> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 5:08 PM, deb <debismith at moscow.com> wrote:
>> OK, just a moment out of the free-for-all bashing and point-counter-point.
>>
>> I am a big fan of Joe Campbell. We sort of swing the same way in politics
>> and opinions. He's also a darn nice guy. Sometimes I want him to calm down a
>> bit, but sometimes he probably wants me to just shut up. OK.
>>
>> I have not been a big fan of Gary Crabtree, but I have never met him in
>> person, so all I had to go on were his postings on V2020. I seldo (well,
>> almost never) agree with a darn thing he has to say. I had no idea if he was
>> a nice guy or a total asshat, but I knew he was not on my page, and probably
>> was in anentirely different book. OK.
>>
>> About 4:15 today, I foolishly locked my keys in my car. The spare key was at
>> home. My partner was not. What to do? Call the Locksmith! As I was downtown,
>> I went to Gary's Lockshop--fortunately, he was there. He drove me back to my
>> car, quickly and efficiently got it open, I retrieved my keys from the front
>> seat where they had fallen from my very shallow front pocket just as I
>> slammed the (locked) door, he drove me back to the Lockshop so I could pay
>> him the (reasonable) $40 with the credit card I had cleverly left in my
>> handbag in the locked car. I was thanking him all the way, as I had things
>> to do, and could still do them!
>>
>> When Gary saw the card, my name registered with him. He made a comment about
>> me posting negatively about him on the V---I said something about not
>> remembering saying anything about him personally (though, Goddess knows I
>> probably have!). He made me a spare key and gave me a magnet for it (no
>> extra charge) and took me back to my car.
>>
>> We shook hands, said we were glad to meet one another in person, and both
>> got on with our day. OK.
>>
>> Just a reminder to me, and I hope to everyone out there. We can disagree, we
>> can be nasty to one another, we can hold radically different opinions. At
>> the end of the day, Gary got me into my car, and I owe him some organic
>> veggies (at a reasonable price!). We are still a community, win lose or
>> draw. Maybe we can stop hacking at each other on a personal level once in a
>> while? Criticism, contention, refutation, debate----all fine. Let's just try
>> to keep the personal insults to a minimum. Just because we disagree doesn't
>> mean either one of us is evil.....
>>
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