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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>I haven't the inclination to engage in a
did too/did not discussion with Mr. Campbell on this topic. I will say to
him that he has my complete permission to release any and all private
e-mail pertaining to this or any other topic. I also invite anyone who
cares to take a stroll back through the vision 20/20 archives to 18 May 2006 and
read under the subject heading "thin skinned." <A
title="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-May/029780.html CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-May/029780.html">http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2006-May/029780.html</A> I
think you will find events significantly different from those described. The
most glaring discrepancies being:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>>No private e-mail detailing phobias
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>> No threats from me regarding flyers
(or anything else) </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>>No selective release of information to
Dale Courtney or any other community members</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>>Nothing out of context as I reprinted
the post exactly as I received it</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>g</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>--------------------------------------------------<BR>From: "Joe
Campbell" <philosopher.joe@gmail.com><BR>Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011
7:41 PM<BR>To: "deb" <debismith@moscow.com><BR>Cc: "Gary Crabtree"
<jampot@roadrunner.com>; <vision2020@moscow.com><BR>Subject: Re:
[Vision2020] (no subject)<BR><BR>> I'm fine with this, Deb and thankful for
the post! I've had a number<BR>> of friends of mine who have made similar
comments about Gary as a<BR>> businessman. A rather large number, in fact,
with stories very similar<BR>> to this in all respects.<BR>> <BR>> To
be honest, I still kind of like him. He is blunt, like I am, and I<BR>>
appreciate that. But he has never had a civil thing to say to me. Not<BR>>
once. He is completely hostile and hateful. I've tried to be nice on a<BR>>
few occasions but it is difficult to keep it up. And if you look<BR>>
carefully, each time I've called him a "jackass" it was in response to<BR>>
something that was completely out of line, something different from<BR>> the
usual insults which are contained in every single response he ever<BR>> makes
to me. For Christ sakes, yesterday he accused me of being happy<BR>> about
the Tucson shooting. That is just way over the line.<BR>> <BR>> I've said
this before and I'll repeat it. A long time ago Gary and I<BR>> shared some
offline correspondence for over a week or two. I made a<BR>> huge mistake of
revealing several things about my personal life and<BR>> past history to
explain my anger about some of his posts: that I had a<BR>> sister who is now
dead who was a lesbian; that I spent most of my life<BR>> poor and had a
constant, irrational fear of loosing my job and<BR>> returning to that state
of poverty; that for this reason I disliked<BR>> people talking about my job
in political discussion; etc.<BR>> <BR>> It isn't just that he exploited
these and other weaknesses of mine but<BR>> in fact shared this private
information with several local<BR>> conservatives who have been harassing me
with those insults ever<BR>> since. If you don't believe me, just look
carefully at the exchanges<BR>> from a few years ago, and look at previous
posts about me on RightMind<BR>> as well as the Daily News website. It's a
matter of record for anyone<BR>> who would care to look it up.<BR>>
<BR>> It was during this exchange, when Crabtree threatened to come over
to<BR>> WSU and pass out flyers about how irrational I was that I wrote
back<BR>> threatening to punch him in the nose if he didn't shut up. He
then<BR>> shared that message with Dale Courtney who posted it out of context
on<BR>> RightMind. And even though I made a public apology on the V,
the<BR>> original letter (out of context) comes up there and here and on
the<BR>> Daily News website on a regular basis. It was repeated on
RightMind<BR>> recently, when I was complaining about the violent rhetoric of
NSA.<BR>> <BR>> So even though I sort of like him, sort of respect him I
have a hard<BR>> time maintaining a civil relationship with Mr. Crabtree. But
that's<BR>> me. I can see why others like him and I have no problem with
that.<BR>> <BR>> I do kind of wish that you had a problem with truth
tables, or the<BR>> history of philosophy today and had run into me!<BR>>
<BR>> On Fri, Jan 14, 2011 at 5:08 PM, deb <debismith@moscow.com>
wrote:<BR>>> OK, just a moment out of the free-for-all bashing and
point-counter-point.<BR>>><BR>>> I am a big fan of Joe Campbell. We
sort of swing the same way in politics<BR>>> and opinions. He's also a
darn nice guy. Sometimes I want him to calm down a<BR>>> bit, but
sometimes he probably wants me to just shut up. OK.<BR>>><BR>>> I
have not been a big fan of Gary Crabtree, but I have never met him
in<BR>>> person, so all I had to go on were his postings on V2020. I seldo
(well,<BR>>> almost never) agree with a darn thing he has to say. I had no
idea if he was<BR>>> a nice guy or a total asshat, but I knew he was not
on my page, and probably<BR>>> was in anentirely different book.
OK.<BR>>><BR>>> About 4:15 today, I foolishly locked my keys in my
car. The spare key was at<BR>>> home. My partner was not. What to do? Call
the Locksmith! As I was downtown,<BR>>> I went to Gary's
Lockshop--fortunately, he was there. He drove me back to my<BR>>> car,
quickly and efficiently got it open, I retrieved my keys from the
front<BR>>> seat where they had fallen from my very shallow front pocket
just as I<BR>>> slammed the (locked) door, he drove me back to the
Lockshop so I could pay<BR>>> him the (reasonable) $40 with the credit
card I had cleverly left in my<BR>>> handbag in the locked car. I was
thanking him all the way, as I had things<BR>>> to do, and could still do
them!<BR>>><BR>>> When Gary saw the card, my name registered with
him. He made a comment about<BR>>> me posting negatively about him on the
V---I said something about not<BR>>> remembering saying anything about him
personally (though, Goddess knows I<BR>>> probably have!). He made me a
spare key and gave me a magnet for it (no<BR>>> extra charge) and took me
back to my car.<BR>>><BR>>> We shook hands, said we were glad to
meet one another in person, and both<BR>>> got on with our day.
OK.<BR>>><BR>>> Just a reminder to me, and I hope to everyone out
there. We can disagree, we<BR>>> can be nasty to one another, we can hold
radically different opinions. At<BR>>> the end of the day, Gary got me
into my car, and I owe him some organic<BR>>> veggies (at a reasonable
price!). We are still a community, win lose or<BR>>> draw. Maybe we can
stop hacking at each other on a personal level once in a<BR>>> while?
Criticism, contention, refutation, debate----all fine. Let's just
try<BR>>> to keep the personal insults to a minimum. Just because we
disagree doesn't<BR>>> mean either one of us is
evil.....<BR>>><BR>>><BR>>>
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