[Vision2020] (no subject)

[deb]

Thanks, Paul. And, no, I don't think you are a fruitcake. I sometimes 
disagree a bunch with you, but more often find your posts interesting and 
thought provoking---sometimes sending me off in quest of more info (I'm a 
frustrated researcher at heart, and appreciate this more than you know!).

And yes, let the rotten tomatoes fly, but let's just remember none of it is 
personal---there ain't no good guys or bad guys up in here, just a bunch of 
folks with opinions (some more valid than others, she said with a wink).
Debi R-S
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
To: "Andreas Schou" <ophite at gmail.com>
Cc: "deb" <debismith at moscow.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 10:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] (no subject)


>
> I tend to annoy everybody, I think.  It's a special trait of mine.
>
> I haven't met very many people on the list in real life.  I know Sue 
> Hovey, I've met Nick Gier, and I've talked to Keely on the phone.
>
> I miss some of the old-timers that haven't been around in a while.  Is 
> Chasuk still around somewhere?  There have been periods of time where I 
> haven't followed the list as much as I'd like, so maybe I just haven't 
> seen his posts.
>
> Although Ted and I are constantly beating our heads against each other, I 
> respect his character and can confidently say that he's a principled 
> person who cares deeply about the environment.  Nothing wrong with that. 
> As I tend to get a bit snarky in my responses far too regularly, I 
> apologize to him now for the many sarcastic and unfriendly remarks I've 
> made over the years.
>
> I've talked with Gary both on and off the list (a few times, anyway) and 
> find him to be a good guy.  He calls them like he sees them, and I respect 
> that.  My path over the last few years is one of realizing that even 
> people you differ with have important things to say and that everything is 
> not so black and white as people try to make it appear.  My opinion of 
> Gary has changed for the better since I've interacted with him, and that 
> can only be a good sign.
>
> Apart from the last few weeks, I haven't interacted with Joe that much, 
> but I appreciate the civil discourse we've had, even though we both 
> probably shriek at the walls various unflattering remarks about each other 
> after a long back-and-forth.  He's an intelligent guy, and he also calls 
> 'em like he sees 'em, too.  That's a good thing.
>
> I've had some good conversations with Donovan, and find him to be a nice 
> guy.
>
> Andreas is one of the more reasonable posters on the list, I enjoy his 
> posts when I see them.  He seems level-headed and intelligent and wise, 
> really.
>
> I enjoy Tom's humorous posts, and appreciate the work he does for the 
> community.  I'm not as big a fan of cats as he is, though.  Don't hate 
> them, mind you, but I'm not as enamored of them.
>
> I enjoy Keely's posts, even though we often disagree about some things.  I 
> also enjoy Nicks posts, they are very thought-provoking.  There are lots 
> of others I'm missing, I'm sure.  Reggie, Roger, Wayne, Jeff, Dan, Dave, 
> Deb, and others.  All of them nice people who think I'm a fruitcake ;)
>
> It certainly doesn't hurt to take a break from the mud-slinging and to 
> realize that real people actually exist behind their on-line personas. 
> This list is an enigma.  It's full of generally nice people who like to 
> yell at each other all the time.  It must be the dehumanizing properties 
> of the email medium, I guess.
>
> Ah well, back to the mudslinging, I say!
>
> Paul
>
> Andreas Schou wrote:
>> Gary's one of a very small number of conservative commentators that
>> I've managed to read consistently since I first became politically
>> aware. In part, this may be due to the fact that he is one of a very
>> small number of conservative commentators whom I may annoy precisely
>> as much as he annoys me. But, even where I think he's wrong, he's at
>> least responsive.
>>
>> He's also a damn good locksmith and, as far as I've heard and
>> experienced, a decent human. I only disagree with him about matters of
>> life, death, and whether and how the government should acquire and
>> spend trillions of dollars. Other than that, we're cool. And he's not
>> the only conservative here that's made a positive contribution to the
>> community.
>>
>> Many of you know my wife had a brain tumor a couple of years ago and
>> nearly died. I was in Seattle for most of the relevant period, but I
>> received an unsolicited offer from Doug Farris to bring over
>> casseroles and whatnot. I couldn't take him up on it (because I
>> suspect his offer didn't extend to driving the casseroles to Seattle),
>> but I appreciated it more than he knows. And I was genuinely sorry to
>> hear that Pat Kraut died; in all of my professional dealings with her,
>> through the Nazarene church, she genuinely enacted the charitable
>> values we so vehemently disagreed about  the government enacting.
>>
>> I don't know the rest of the conservatives here as well. Glenn isn't a
>> real person (though I once had a perfectly civil lunch with the person
>> I believe he is). Donovan Arnold probably wouldn't kick a puppy unless
>> the puppy really had it coming. Jeff Harkins is sometimes genuinely
>> helpful, and bright and dedicated, if sometimes glib.
>>
>> I realize that it'll soon be time to get back to shouting at each
>> other. As we should. Isn't that why we're all here? (Maybe not Paul.
>> He doesn't seem like a crank. I mean that as a compliment.) But in the
>> spirit Dear Leader proposes, I think taking a moment to appreciate the
>> people we will soon be throwing rotten fruit at seems appropriate.
>>
>> -- ACS
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