[Vision2020] the shooting

Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Wed Jan 12 14:41:23 PST 2011 

Again, you say "Obama is a leftist" like that is an insult. He's left
of center. Of course. He's a Democrat. They are the ones that are left
of center. Republicans are the ones who are right of center. The
comment sounds like someone is bad for being a Democrat when really
they just have a different view of things than you. That's all it is.

You seem to think that because Obama has a friend who led a former
life as a radical, he has a closer connection to communism than Palin.
Do you realize how silly that sounds? There is at least one fallacy in
that reasoning -- guilt by association -- yet it seems to be accepted
as normal among those on the right.

Yet when I suggest a connection between a poster with literally
targeting a person and the person actually being shot, you charge me
with being intolerant or playing political games. My connection is
much more solid than yours.

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:55 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> Alright. Obama is a leftist.  He was tutored by Frank Davis, and is or was friends with William Aires(sp), He has had self proclaimed  communists such as Van Jones in his Administration. Communist are are the left. How anyone can claim a connection of Palin to Che and see done between Obama and Che is beyond me. I am not necessarily criticising Obama here. I do not see a connection between the shooter and any political rhetoric. even though I would like everyone to tone it done. Music, video games and moves would probably be a more likely connection.
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: Reggie Holmquist reggieholmquist at u.boisestate.edu
> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 12:12:59 -0800
> To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] the shooting
>
>> Cop out.
>>
>> -Reggie
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 11:07 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>>
>> > If you don't know, there is no point in trying to explain it.
>> > Roger
>> > -----Original message-----
>> > From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
>> > Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:19:17 -0800
>> > To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] the shooting
>> >
>> > > Explain to me how Obama has closer ties to Che and communism than Palin.
>> > Why would you say that?
>> > >
>> > > And I'm not "blaming" anyone but the shooter.
>> > >
>> > > On Jan 11, 2011, at 10:02 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > You  have somewhat  of a point in saying that insane people can be
>> > influenced to kill someone. What is wrong is in blaming it on the right with
>> > out a shred of evidence. The guy was a fan of Che Guavaria(sp) and the
>> > Communist Manifesto. It would seem to me you folks are blaming the wrong
>> > side. Obama, Biden, Van Jones and a host of other democrats  have also made
>> > inflammatory statement. A lot of military terms are used in ordinary speech
>> > and should not be taken literally. If you condemned all rhetoric that might
>> > somehow incite someone to violence I would be more impressed. That however
>> > would place a severe restriction on what can be said.
>> > > > Roger
>> > > > -----Original message-----
>> > > > From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
>> > > > Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 15:47:04 -0800
>> > > > To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
>> > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] the shooting
>> > > >
>> > > >> Roger,
>> > > >>
>> > > >> How does the fact that he was insane change the issue?
>> > > >>
>> > > >> If one pays a man to kill another, does he get off if it turns out
>> > > >> that the killer was insane?
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Can I hire an insane man to rob a bank an split the profits? After
>> > > >> all, if he gets caught, I can always say he's insane so I can't be
>> > > >> blamed for anything, right?
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Is anyone allowed to ask any insane person do do whatever they wish
>> > > >> and suffer no consequences if he does it?
>> > > >>
>> > > >> People in positions of political power, like Palin, should not be
>> > > >> creating posters with crosshairs designating their political enemies.
>> > > >> That is over the top, inappropriate, and irresponsible PRECISELY
>> > > >> because there are insane people in the world who might take it
>> > > >> seriously.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> What could possibly be wrong with this criticism?
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 12:53 PM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>> > > >>>  On item Item 3.  The media and numerous others have been linking the
>> > shooting to the right with out a shred of evidence. It has also been
>> > reported that the Communist manifesto was one of his favorite books. Does
>> > this mean that the left wing is responsible? No. All of this unsubstantiated
>> > rhetoric by the media and others is irresponsible. He was a nut job, pure
>> > and simple. End of story.
>> > > >>> Roger
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> -----Original message-----
>> > > >>> From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
>> > > >>> Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2011 20:51:25 -0800
>> > > >>> To: Gary Crabtree jampot at roadrunner.com
>> > > >>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] the shooting
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>>> Gary there are folks throwing out crazy rightwing rhetoric who have
>> > TV shows, who run for governmental office.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> There are nuts on both sides, no doubt.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> But there aren't TV and radio hosts from the left, let alone
>> > candidates running for office, who are openly saying the same things the
>> > nuts are saying.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> Nor are there leftwing schools using violent rhetoric in their ad
>> > campaigns.
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> On Jan 8, 2011, at 7:43 PM, "Gary Crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>> And the unstable left wing over the top rhetoric of rabid animal
>> > rights groups, earth firsters, truthers, and the endlessly droning Bush
>> > lied/people died crowd don't? Lumping Courtney, Wilson, the tea party folks,
>> > and conservatives in general as a group with even a smattering of
>> > responsibility for this tragedy is over the top by any standard. Even yours.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> g
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> From: keely emerinemix
>> > > >>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 7:23 PM
>> > > >>>>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > > >>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] the shooting
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> In the interest of transparency, I want to say that I've heard
>> > indirectly from Dale Courtney and directly from Douglas Wilson, both of
>> > whom, not surprisingly, take umbrage at my characterization that people like
>> > them bear some responsibility for things like the politically motivated
>> > shootings in Tucson.  You can look on Dale's blog, and I won't post Wilson's
>> > emails to me without his permission, but when I take my hits for something
>> > I've said or done in public, I am not afraid to acknowledge those hits in
>> > public.  But let's be clear.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> I did not say that Douglas Wilson and Dale Courtney shot anyone.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> I did not say they are accountable for the actions of the man who
>> > did.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> I did not say they are guilty in the same way the shooter is, and I
>> > didn't say they specifically, personally encouraged him to do it.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> What I said was that people who say the kinds of things these two
>> > prominent local Christians have said, and say them in the ugly and
>> > intolerant, public way they've said them, are responsible for the climate
>> > that helps tip unstable, paranoid anti-government types over the edge.  That
>> > doesn't seem too difficult to comprehend, and certainly wouldn't seem to be
>> > too difficult for these two men of chest to bear.  Frankly, if Pima County
>> > Sheriff Clarence Dupnik has concluded that the atmosphere of hatred and
>> > abuse swamping the country these days has incubated actions like the
>> > shootings today, it hardly seems odd that those of us who live in a place
>> > where our neighbors contribute so nakedly to that atmosphere would remark on
>> > their culpability for it.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Keely
>> > > >>>>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>> > > >>>>>
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