[Vision2020] evil in Tucson

the lockshop lockshop at pull.twcbc.com
Tue Jan 11 14:39:49 PST 2011


And of course lets not forget Obama's urging latinos to "punish our enemies"

g
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Glenn Schwaller" <vpschwaller at gmail.com>
To: "vision2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] evil in Tucson


Hmmmm . . .  In 2004 the DNC posted an actual "Targeting Strategy"

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid=253055&kaid=127&subid=171

More recently West Virginia Senate candidate Joe Manchin actually shot
the cap-and-trade emissions bill with a rifle.

Even more recently Democratic advisor Mark Penn advocated Obama
"reconnecting" with the people through the Arizona tragedy, much the
same way Clinton "reconnected" through the Oklahoma bombing.

Liberal Hollywood's movie "Death of a President” aimed at George Bush

Postage stamps with a gun pointed at Bush's head

"Abort Sarah Palin" bumper stickers

Obama himself:   “Whose ass to kick”  "Bring a gun to a knife fight”
“Argue with neighbors, get in their face” “Gearing up for a fight”
“Hit back twice as hard”  “My grandmother acted like a typical white
person”

And the list goes on.  Statements of the nature of "targeting",
"taking aim", "its a war"  on and on,  are used and have been used by
all political groups since probably the origin of "politics".

I'll make it short and sweet: Citing conservative rhetoric as a fuse
for the shootings, or for inciting any violence for that matter, is
just stupid.

GS

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com> 
wrote:
> Be fair and find the quotes Roger. I bet you can't. Prove me wrong.
>
>
>
> On Jan 11, 2011, at 10:19 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't like those statements either and I quit listening to Gordon 
>> Liddey when he advocated using silhouettes of Bill and Hillary for target 
>> practice. To be fair though you should now make a list of similar 
>> statement made by people on the left. That list would be just as long or 
>> longer.
>> Roger
>> -----Original message-----
>> From: Reggie Holmquist reggieholmquist at u.boisestate.edu
>> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 18:31:43 -0800
>> To: the lockshop lockshop at pull.twcbc.com
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] evil in Tucson
>>
>>> 1.
>>>
>>> Rush Limbaugh: "I tell people don't kill all the liberals. Leave enough
>>> so we can have two on every campus – living fossils – so we will never
>>> forget what these people stood for."
>>> 2.
>>>
>>> Senator Phil Gramm: "We're going to keep building the party until we're
>>> hunting Democrats with dogs."
>>> 3.
>>>
>>> Rep. James Hansen on Bill Clinton: Get rid of the guy. Impreach him,
>>> censure him, assassinate him."
>>> 4.
>>>
>>> John Derbyshire intimated in the National Review that because Chelsea
>>> Clinton had "the taint," she should "be killed."
>>> 5.
>>>
>>> Ann Coulter: "We need to execute people like John Walker in order to
>>> physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be
>>> killed, too."
>>> 6.
>>>
>>> Ann Coulter: "My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to 
>>> the
>>> New York Times building."
>>> 7.
>>>
>>> Bill O'Reilly: "ll those clowns over at the liberal radio network, we
>>> could incarcerate them immediately. Will you have that done, please? 
>>> Send
>>> over the FBI and just put them in chains."
>>> 8.
>>>
>>> Clear Channel radio host Glenn Beck said he was "thinking about killing
>>> Michael Moore" and pondered whether "I could kill him myself, or if I 
>>> would
>>> need to hire somebody to do it," before concluding: "No, I think I could 
>>> I
>>> think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be
>>> choking the life out -- is this wrong?"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 5:26 PM, the lockshop 
>>> <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> No "two wrongs" game being played anywhere I can see. In your earlier
>>>> posts you rather shrilly insisted that the "violent rhetoric" was a one
>>>> sided phenomenon emanating predominantly from the right and I offered a 
>>>> few
>>>> examples to show your error. Nothing more and nothing less. I did not
>>>> contend that anything was OK because the other side was doing it as 
>>>> well. My
>>>> reason for responding to you at all was that I think that using tragedy 
>>>> to
>>>> attempt to score cheap political points is not helpful to say the very
>>>> least.
>>>>
>>>> As to your question of where I stand on the issue, it depends on your
>>>> sensibilities and semantics. I have no real problem with analogy such 
>>>> as
>>>> Obama used nor with NSA's. On the other hand, if you say that BHO is 
>>>> evil
>>>> incarnate, is responsible for all that is ailling the country and must 
>>>> be
>>>> stopped immeadiately by any and all means possible, I think you've 
>>>> stepped
>>>> over the edge in the same way that showing photos of GWB with captions
>>>> saying 'assassinate this man' are over the top. One is analogy and the 
>>>> other
>>>> is incitement and it doesn't require genius to tell the difference.
>>>>
>>>> In any compitition it's natural to use terms of conflict such as beat,
>>>> fight, target, eliminate and so on and a reasonable person understands 
>>>> this
>>>> and doesn't read more into it then is intended. A lunatic might hear it 
>>>> and
>>>> do something awful. They might also hear something quite innocuous and
>>>> freak. Should we tip toe about and censor our every word so as not to 
>>>> set
>>>> off the nut balls? Or should the rhetoric police relax and realize that
>>>> the crazies will sometimes go off for reasons indecipherable by the 
>>>> sane.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> g
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "the lockshop" <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com>
>>>> Cc: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 2:37 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] evil in Tucson
>>>>
>>>> Gary,
>>>>
>>>> You keep playing this "two wrongs" game.
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to know where you stand on it. My view is that violent
>>>> rhetoric is wrong. It was wrong for Obama to make that kind of comment
>>>> if it was directed toward his political enemies. Just because I'm a
>>>> Democrat and voted for him doesn't make it right. What's your view? Do
>>>> you think it was wrong for him to say this and that such violent
>>>> rhetoric, directed at one's political opponents is wrong? Or do you
>>>> think it is OK for folks to say this sort of thing?
>>>>
>>>> The view can't be that it was wrong for Obama but not for, say, NSA or
>>>> Palin. But which is: wrong for both groups or OK for both? I think it
>>>> is wrong for both.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:40 AM, the lockshop 
>>>> <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> I assume that by violent rhetoric you would include comments made by
>>>> those
>>>>> who are the last word in "viable presidential candidate."
>>>>>
>>>>> "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said in
>>>>> Philadelphia last night. “Because from what I understand, folks in 
>>>>> Philly
>>>>> like a good brawl..."
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess from now on instead of targeting voters, candidates, or 
>>>>> positions
>>>> we
>>>>> will speak of humanely capturing them to returned to a safe area where
>>>> they
>>>>> can live out the remained of their lives surrounded by love and 
>>>>> comfort> >
>>>>> g
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com>
>>>>> To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2011 10:05 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] evil in Tucson
>>>>>> Furthermore . . .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The ONLY person that should be held directly responsible for the 
>>>>>> murders
>>>>>> in Tuscon is Jared Loughner.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However . . .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The grandizing by Phelps of such heinous murderous activity as that
>>>>>> committed by Loughner takes on an even worse stench when coupled with
>>>> the
>>>>>> "target map" and comments like "Don't retread, reload" and "Second
>>>>>> amendment remedies" feed the imbalanced minds of those like Jared
>>>> Loughner
>>>>>> with a false sense of patriotism when they commit such acts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Certainly, average, well-adjust people can easily distinguish between
>>>>>> controversial commentary and violent rhetoric, but . . .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How many Jared Loughners are we to confront before sources of such
>>>>>> rhetoric are called in to account?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, January 10, 2011 9:47 am, keely emerinemix wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It took all of five minutes, Visionaires, for my conscience to to
>>>> remind
>>>>>>> me that describing even someone as evil as Fred Phelps as less than
>>>> human
>>>>>>> was wrong of me. I believe his works to be those of an evil man,
>>>>>>> something I can't imagine anyone not named "Phelps" would disagree 
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> and something I think Scripture would affirm, but I used language in
>>>>>>> anger
>>>>>>> that I have criticized in others, and I'm sorry for it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I trust that if Dale Courtney uses my initial Phelps post on his 
>>>>>>> blog,
>>>>>>> he'll have the integrity to refer to this one as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Keely
>>>>>>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: kjajmix1 at msn.com
>>>>>>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 09:35:11 -0800
>>>>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] evil in Tucson
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My brother in Tucson says that unmitigated barbarian evil in the 
>>>>>>> form
>>>> of
>>>>>>> the Rev. Fred Phelps will descend later this week on the city as the
>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>> victims of the shooting will be released from the hospital and 
>>>>>>> funerals
>>>>>>> for the dead will begin. Phelps will be praising God for the 
>>>>>>> massacre
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> lauding the work of Jared Lee Loughner.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The description of Phelps above is mine; my angry and distraught
>>>>>>> brother's
>>>>>>> words were utterly unfit for quoting, just as Phelps' is utterly 
>>>>>>> unfit
>>>> to
>>>>>>> claim the title "Reverend," or even the designation "human."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Keely
>>>>>>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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