[Vision2020] the shooting in Tucson
Gary Crabtree
jampot at roadrunner.com
Sat Jan 8 23:29:49 PST 2011
Why don't you flesh that one out by providing a few examples of the "violent solutions to political problems" you see as counter point. After that feel free to go back to trying to make tenuous political hay out of a situation better left fallow till a few real facts emerge.
g
From: Reggie Holmquist
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 10:55 PM
To: Gary Crabtree
Cc: Joe Campbell ; Paul Rumelhart ; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] the shooting in Tucson
A horrible thing happened in Tucson today, maybe we should try to leave the ghoulish political blame game for another day.
You mean when no one is really paying attention anymore? Mighty convenient. I imagine that if we were in the midst of a political climate wherein mainstream liberals were subtly suggesting violent solutions to political problems thereby inciting crazy leftists folks like you would not be so willing to let it go.
-Reggie
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Gary Crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
If it's fair to look at the gibberish on Jared Lee Lounger's web site and declare him a right wing whack job it should be equally fair to take Hasan's anti-war and anti-US policy viewpoints and declare him a liberal. The point I was trying to make by including Hasan is that assigning political motive to nut balls who are obviously sick in the head is to attempt to score political points by the weakest means possible. A horrible thing happened in Tucson today, maybe we should try to leave the ghoulish political blame game for another day.
g
From: Reggie Holmquist
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 8:17 PM
To: Gary Crabtree
Cc: Joe Campbell ; Paul Rumelhart ; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] the shooting in Tucson
Nidal Hasan was a liberal now? Wow. Come on now, Gary. Check your facts!
-Reggie
On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Gary Crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com> wrote:
James Jae Lee, John Patrick Bedell, and Nidal Hasan leap immediately to
mind.
g
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From: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 3:42 PM
To: "Paul Rumelhart" <godshatter at yahoo.com>
Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] the shooting in Tucson
> Can shootings like this be found coming from both sides? Give an
> example of a left wing nut who did something similar within the last
> few years? Try to do it quickly.
>
> On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Anti-government paranoia can be found on both sides of the spectrum. If
>> you go to his YouTube page (http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10),
>> you'll see that he's put both Mein Kampf and The Communist Manifesto
>> under "Books", as well as some others I wouldn't expect Tea Party
>> sympathizers to hold dear such as Animal Farm and Fahrenheit 451.
>>
>> They'll trot him out before the cameras soon enough, and he can let us
>> all know then. And if he did do it because she voted for the Health
>> Care bill, then I throw my weight behind you right now in condemning him
>> for that. I just have a feeling that this one is going to be stranger
>> than it looks.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> keely emerinemix wrote:
>>> sorry -- I neglected to mention that the alleged gunman's video on You
>>> Tube echoes the same paranoid, angry, irrational anti-government stuff
>>> that Wilson, Courtney, and all of their ilk are as famous for as they
>>> are for their status as "Christian" ministers. That got dropped when
>>> I proofread, but while he was clearly a lone wolf, or so it appears,
>>> he was, as Wilson would say, eagerly suckling at the teat of vicious
>>> right-wing extremism of the kind they promote.
>>>
>>> Enough said, but I think it needed to be.
>>>
>>> Keely
>>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> From: kjajmix1 at msn.com
>>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com; godshatter at yahoo.com
>>> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 14:41:01 -0800
>>> Subject: [Vision2020] the shooting in Tucson
>>>
>>> I've tried a couple of times to send this and it appears to not have
>>> gone through, but I want to answer Paul:
>>>
>>> Paul,
>>>
>>> Thank you for your reasonable words. It's better than I've gotten
>>> from Courtney on his Right-Mind.us blog.
>>>
>>> That said, I would remind you that she had been threatened before as a
>>> result of her involvement in the Obama healthcare bill. She is not a
>>> liberal, but I believe that she is more progressive than her record
>>> shows, primarily because of the extraordinarily conservative district
>>> she represents -- one that's been rife with violent, bigoted rhetoric
>>> from the Right. I heard a lot about her from my father, and even two
>>> years ago he was aware that she and Rep. Grijalva (a friend of mine
>>> from way back in the day) were targets of unreasonable and irrational
>>> attacks from the media and from the entrenched Religious Right and
>>> nascent Tea Party folks. This was political, and even though the
>>> video posted by the gunman says he's not a Christian, the instances of
>>> "Christian" right-wing extremism in this country is alarming, and
>>> increasing.
>>>
>>> I hold Wilson, Courtney, et al, responsible (do I have to say "and not
>>> accountable" again???) because, as ministers of the Gospel -- Courtney
>>> has been an elder in Christ Church and is a visible evangelical
>>> spokesman in Idaho conservative/Libertarian politics -- they have
>>> failed in their mission to preach and model peace, truth, justice, and
>>> basic kindness in their public pronouncements. Worse, they have
>>> fanned the flames of a tinderbox-volatile sociopolitical,
>>> religiocultural climate, often with astonishing glee and carelessness,
>>> and are committed, judging from their own works, to calling simple
>>> political disagreement "tyranny" that must be resisted by all
>>> Christian men.
>>>
>>> You're a good man, and if you disagree with me, you're not evil
>>> because of it. But surely you see that this hasn't happened in a
>>> vacuum, and that a church leader who, like hundreds of them across the
>>> nation, laughs at the idea of Obama's assassination and perverts
>>> Scripture -- the "Obama Psalm" -- in spreading his hatred of the
>>> President is a man who, like his "tyranny" frothing pastor, deserves
>>> my scorn at minimum, and my indictment in all truth.
>>>
>>> Keely
>>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>>>
>>> Keely
>>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>>>
>>>
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