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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>Why don't you flesh that one out by
providing a few examples of the "violent solutions to political problems" you
see as counter point. After that feel free to go back to trying to make tenuous
political hay out of a situation better left fallow till a few real facts
emerge.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A
title="mailto:reggieholmquist@u.boisestate.edu CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:reggieholmquist@u.boisestate.edu">Reggie Holmquist</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 08, 2011 10:55 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A
title="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">Gary Crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=philosopher.joe@gmail.com
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</A> ; <A
title=godshatter@yahoo.com href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">Paul Rumelhart</A>
; <A title="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] the shooting in Tucson</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV> <FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>A horrible thing happened in
Tucson today, maybe we should try to leave the ghoulish political blame game
for another day.</FONT><BR></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV><BR>You mean when no one is really paying attention anymore? Mighty
convenient. I imagine that if we were in the midst of a political climate
wherein mainstream liberals were subtly suggesting violent solutions to
political problems thereby inciting crazy leftists folks like you would not be
so willing to let it go.<BR><BR>-Reggie <BR></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Gary Crabtree <SPAN
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href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</A>></SPAN>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 face=Calibri>If it's fair to look at the
gibberish on Jared Lee Lounger's web site and declare him a right wing whack
job it should be equally fair to take Hasan's anti-war and anti-US policy
viewpoints and declare him a liberal. The point I was trying to make by
including Hasan is that assigning political motive to nut balls who are
obviously sick in the head is to attempt to score political points by the
weakest means possible. A horrible thing happened in Tucson today, maybe we
should try to leave the ghoulish political blame game for another
day.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><B>From:</B> <A
title="mailto:reggieholmquist@u.boisestate.edu CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:reggieholmquist@u.boisestate.edu" target=_blank>Reggie
Holmquist</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, January 08, 2011 8:17 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=jampot@roadrunner.com
href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com" target=_blank>Gary Crabtree</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A
title="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com" target=_blank>Joe Campbell</A> ; <A
title="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com" target=_blank>Paul Rumelhart</A> ; <A
title="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com CTRL + Click to follow link"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com</A>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vision2020] the shooting in
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<DIV><BR></DIV>Nidal Hasan was a liberal now? Wow. Come on now,
Gary. Check your facts!<BR><BR>-Reggie<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Gary Crabtree <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com"
target=_blank>jampot@roadrunner.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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class=gmail_quote>James Jae Lee, John Patrick Bedell, and Nidal Hasan leap
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to<BR>mind.<BR><BR>g<BR><BR><BR><BR>--------------------------------------------------<BR>From:
"Joe Campbell" <<A href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com"
target=_blank>philosopher.joe@gmail.com</A>><BR>Sent: Saturday, January
08, 2011 3:42 PM<BR>To: "Paul Rumelhart" <<A
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"
target=_blank>godshatter@yahoo.com</A>><BR>Cc: <<A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com</A>><BR>Subject: Re: [Vision2020] the
shooting in Tucson<BR>
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<DIV><BR>> Can shootings like this be found coming from both sides? Give
an<BR>> example of a left wing nut who did something similar within the
last<BR>> few years? Try to do it quickly.<BR>><BR>> On Sat, Jan 8,
2011 at 3:00 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<A href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"
target=_blank>godshatter@yahoo.com</A>><BR>>
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>> Anti-government paranoia can be found on both
sides of the spectrum. If<BR>>> you go to his YouTube page (<A
href="http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10"
target=_blank>http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10</A>),<BR>>>
you'll see that he's put both Mein Kampf and The Communist
Manifesto<BR>>> under "Books", as well as some others I wouldn't
expect Tea Party<BR>>> sympathizers to hold dear such as Animal Farm
and Fahrenheit 451.<BR>>><BR>>> They'll trot him out before the
cameras soon enough, and he can let us<BR>>> all know then. And
if he did do it because she voted for the Health<BR>>> Care bill, then
I throw my weight behind you right now in condemning him<BR>>> for
that. I just have a feeling that this one is going to be
stranger<BR>>> than it looks.<BR>>><BR>>>
Paul<BR>>><BR>>> keely emerinemix wrote:<BR>>>> sorry
-- I neglected to mention that the alleged gunman's video on
You<BR>>>> Tube echoes the same paranoid, angry, irrational
anti-government stuff<BR>>>> that Wilson, Courtney, and all of
their ilk are as famous for as they<BR>>>> are for their status as
"Christian" ministers. That got dropped when<BR>>>> I
proofread, but while he was clearly a lone wolf, or so it
appears,<BR>>>> he was, as Wilson would say, eagerly suckling at
the teat of vicious<BR>>>> right-wing extremism of the kind they
promote.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Enough said, but I think it needed
to be.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Keely<BR>>>> <A
href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com"
target=_blank>www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</A><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>
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From: <A href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com"
target=_blank>kjajmix1@msn.com</A><BR>>>> To: <A
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com" target=_blank>vision2020@moscow.com</A>;
<A href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com"
target=_blank>godshatter@yahoo.com</A><BR>>>> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011
14:41:01 -0800<BR>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] the shooting in
Tucson<BR>>>><BR>>>> I've tried a couple of times to send
this and it appears to not have<BR>>>> gone through, but I want to
answer Paul:<BR>>>><BR>>>>
Paul,<BR>>>><BR>>>> Thank you for your reasonable words.
It's better than I've gotten<BR>>>> from Courtney on his
Right-Mind.us blog.<BR>>>><BR>>>> That said, I would
remind you that she had been threatened before as a<BR>>>> result
of her involvement in the Obama healthcare bill. She is not
a<BR>>>> liberal, but I believe that she is more progressive than
her record<BR>>>> shows, primarily because of the extraordinarily
conservative district<BR>>>> she represents -- one that's been rife
with violent, bigoted rhetoric<BR>>>> from the Right. I heard
a lot about her from my father, and even two<BR>>>> years ago
he was aware that she and Rep. Grijalva (a friend of mine<BR>>>>
from way back in the day) were targets of unreasonable and
irrational<BR>>>> attacks from the media and from the entrenched
Religious Right and<BR>>>> nascent Tea Party folks. This was
political, and even though the<BR>>>> video posted by the gunman
says he's not a Christian, the instances of<BR>>>> "Christian"
right-wing extremism in this country is alarming, and<BR>>>>
increasing.<BR>>>><BR>>>> I hold Wilson, Courtney, et al,
responsible (do I have to say "and not<BR>>>> accountable"
again???) because, as ministers of the Gospel -- Courtney<BR>>>>
has been an elder in Christ Church and is a visible
evangelical<BR>>>> spokesman in Idaho conservative/Libertarian
politics -- they have<BR>>>> failed in their mission to preach and
model peace, truth, justice, and<BR>>>> basic kindness in their
public pronouncements. Worse, they have<BR>>>> fanned the
flames of a tinderbox-volatile sociopolitical,<BR>>>>
religiocultural climate, often with astonishing glee and
carelessness,<BR>>>> and are committed, judging from their own
works, to calling simple<BR>>>> political disagreement "tyranny"
that must be resisted by all<BR>>>> Christian
men.<BR>>>><BR>>>> You're a good man, and if you
disagree with me, you're not evil<BR>>>> because of it. But
surely you see that this hasn't happened in a<BR>>>> vacuum, and
that a church leader who, like hundreds of them across the<BR>>>>
nation, laughs at the idea of Obama's assassination and
perverts<BR>>>> Scripture -- the "Obama Psalm" -- in spreading his
hatred of the<BR>>>> President is a man who, like his "tyranny"
frothing pastor, deserves<BR>>>> my scorn at minimum, and my
indictment in all truth.<BR>>>><BR>>>>
Keely<BR>>>> <A href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com"
target=_blank>www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</A><BR>>>><BR>>>>
Keely<BR>>>> <A href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com"
target=_blank>www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</A><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>
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