[Vision2020] the shooting in Tucson

[Paul Rumelhart]

You asked for "an example of a left wing nut who did something similar 
within the last few years".  I gave you one.  I read that dude's 
manifesto, and he came across as a far left enviro-whacko in my humble 
opinion.  I wasn't trying to say anything other than that.

I tend to agree that the far right is a good deal ahead in the "nut job 
race".  That doesn't mean that the far left isn't sporting it's own 
candidates.

I'm interested to see what this guy was all about.  You don't often end 
up with a person in this kind of situation who is both alive and 
unharmed.  Maybe his girlfriend left him and he picked a target of 
convenience.  Maybe he had a thing about abortion, immigration, the 
health care bill, or who knows what.  Maybe he thought they were 
zombies.  I have no idea, but I'll be interested to see how this plays out.

I'd just rather wait for some facts I can sink my teeth into before 
ranting about my favorite targets.  Hmm.  Maybe he was a global warming 
alarmist!  Maybe she voted against the last cap and trade bill!  Those 
AGW fanatics are ruining this country!

Paul

Joe Campbell wrote:
> Do you really think there is a similarity here? Compare just the two
> local folks who ran for state senate on the Republican party ticket.
> One of them still posts letters in the news paper where he rants about
> the evil government being against the constitution. The other had a
> Facebook page where his dad posted daily comments about Democrats
> being communists. Name two candidates from the same state who ran on
> the Democrat ticket and were equally over the top?
>
> I can list 10 conservatives who are saying the same crap that the AZ
> shooter said on a regular basis. Name 10 Democrats, or 10 well known
> progressive/liberal sources who were saying the say crap that the
> Discovery Channel shooter said? Name one who has a TV show? Name one
> who is a pastor and gets to preach his story to a group on a weekly
> basis, isolated folks who have already been sold on the fear of death
> (for instance)?
>
> I read a bit about the Discovery Chanel shooter and he was insane
> (also, not clearly a progressive/liberal as far as I could tell; just
> an environmentalist). Maybe the same will turn out to be true of AZ
> shooter. But it could also be the case that he is merely buying into a
> story that is told over and over again about how Democrats and
> progressives (re: communists) are taking over our freedoms and we have
> to do something about it. Hell, I'd shoot someone too if I thought the
> freedoms that our founding father's established depended upon it. That
> wouldn't make me crazy. Just "patriotic" (and maybe stupid if we
> weren't actually at war with the people I shot).
>
> It's not just the rhetoric. It is the rhetoric + ignorance +
> isolationism (which maintains the ignorance).
>
> On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
>   
>> The guy that shot up the offices of the Discovery Channel?  He looked like
>> an environmentalist whacko to me.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> Joe Campbell wrote:
>>     
>>> Can shootings like this be found coming from both sides? Give an
>>> example of a left wing nut who did something similar within the last
>>> few years? Try to do it quickly.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Anti-government paranoia can be found on both sides of the spectrum.  If
>>>> you go to his YouTube page (http://www.youtube.com/user/Classitup10),
>>>> you'll see that he's put both Mein Kampf and The Communist Manifesto
>>>> under "Books", as well as some others I wouldn't expect Tea Party
>>>> sympathizers to hold dear such as Animal Farm and Fahrenheit 451.
>>>>
>>>> They'll trot him out before the cameras soon enough, and he can let us
>>>> all know then.  And if he did do it because she voted for the Health
>>>> Care bill, then I throw my weight behind you right now in condemning him
>>>> for that.  I just have a feeling that this one is going to be stranger
>>>> than it looks.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>> keely emerinemix wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> sorry -- I neglected to mention that the alleged gunman's video on You
>>>>> Tube echoes the same paranoid, angry, irrational anti-government stuff
>>>>> that Wilson, Courtney, and all of their ilk are as famous for as they
>>>>> are for their status as "Christian" ministers.  That got dropped when
>>>>> I proofread, but while he was clearly a lone wolf, or so it appears,
>>>>> he was, as Wilson would say, eagerly suckling at the teat of vicious
>>>>> right-wing extremism of the kind they promote.
>>>>>
>>>>> Enough said, but I think it needed to be.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keely
>>>>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: kjajmix1 at msn.com
>>>>> To: vision2020 at moscow.com; godshatter at yahoo.com
>>>>> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 14:41:01 -0800
>>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] the shooting in Tucson
>>>>>
>>>>> I've tried a couple of times to send this and it appears to not have
>>>>> gone through, but I want to answer Paul:
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for your reasonable words.  It's better than I've gotten
>>>>> from Courtney on his Right-Mind.us blog.
>>>>>
>>>>> That said, I would remind you that she had been threatened before as a
>>>>> result of her involvement in the Obama healthcare bill.  She is not a
>>>>> liberal, but I believe that she is more progressive than her record
>>>>> shows, primarily because of the extraordinarily conservative district
>>>>> she represents -- one that's been rife with violent, bigoted rhetoric
>>>>> from the Right.  I heard a lot about her from  my father, and even two
>>>>> years ago he was aware that she and Rep. Grijalva (a friend of mine
>>>>> from way back in the day) were targets of unreasonable and irrational
>>>>> attacks from the media and from the entrenched Religious Right and
>>>>> nascent Tea Party folks.  This was political, and even though the
>>>>> video posted by the gunman says he's not a Christian, the instances of
>>>>> "Christian" right-wing extremism in this country is alarming, and
>>>>> increasing.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hold Wilson, Courtney, et al, responsible (do I have to say "and not
>>>>> accountable" again???) because, as ministers of the Gospel -- Courtney
>>>>> has been an elder in Christ Church and is a visible evangelical
>>>>> spokesman in Idaho conservative/Libertarian politics -- they have
>>>>> failed in their mission to preach and model peace, truth, justice, and
>>>>> basic kindness in their public pronouncements.  Worse, they have
>>>>> fanned the flames of a tinderbox-volatile sociopolitical,
>>>>> religiocultural climate, often with astonishing glee and carelessness,
>>>>> and are committed, judging from their own works, to calling simple
>>>>> political disagreement "tyranny" that must be resisted by all
>>>>> Christian  men.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're a good man, and if you disagree with me, you're not evil
>>>>> because of it.  But surely you see that this hasn't happened in a
>>>>> vacuum, and that a church leader who, like hundreds of them across the
>>>>> nation, laughs at the idea of Obama's assassination and perverts
>>>>> Scripture -- the "Obama Psalm" -- in spreading his hatred of the
>>>>> President is a man who, like his "tyranny" frothing pastor, deserves
>>>>> my scorn at minimum, and my indictment in all truth.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keely
>>>>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Keely
>>>>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
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