[Vision2020] THe lunatic fringe assasinates Congresswoman Giffords (D) AZ

[Paul Rumelhart]

I agree, it seems likely that it's something like you describe.  I'm 
just suggesting that it  would be wise to wait until we know that for 
sure before going too far down that road.  For all I've been able to 
find out about the gunman, it's just as likely that his dog told him to 
do it.

Paul

keely emerinemix wrote:
> Paul,
>
> Thank you for your reasonable words.  It's better than I've gotten 
> from Courtney on his Right-Mind.us blog.
>
> That said, I would remind you that she had been threatened before as a 
> result of her involvement in the Obama healthcare bill.  She is not a 
> liberal, but I believe that she is more progressive than her record 
> shows, primarily because of the extraordinarily conservative district 
> she represents -- one that's been rife with violent, bigoted rhetoric 
> from the Right.  I heard a lot about her from  my father, and even two 
> years ago he was aware that she and Rep. Grijalva (a friend of mine 
> from way back in the day) were targets of unreasonable and irrational 
> attacks from the media and from the entrenched Religious Right and 
> nascent Tea Party folks.  This was political, and even though the 
> video posted by the gunman says he's not a Christian, the instances of 
> "Christian" right-wing extremism in this country is alarming, and 
> increasing.
>
> I hold Wilson, Courtney, et al, responsible (do I have to say "and not 
> accountable" again???) because, as ministers of the Gospel -- Courtney 
> has been an elder in Christ Church and is a visible evangelical 
> spokesman in Idaho conservative/Libertarian politics -- they have 
> failed in their mission to preach and model peace, truth, justice, and 
> basic kindness in their public pronouncements.  Worse, they have 
> fanned the flames of a tinderbox-volatile sociopolitical, 
> religiocultural climate, often with astonishing glee and carelessness, 
> and are committed, judging from their own works, to calling simple 
> political disagreement "tyranny" that must be resisted by all 
> Christian  men.
>
> You're a good man, and if you disagree with me, you're not evil 
> because of it.  But surely you see that this hasn't happened in a 
> vacuum, and that a church leader who, like hundreds of them across the 
> nation, laughs at the idea of Obama's assassination and perverts 
> Scripture -- the "Obama Psalm" -- in spreading his hatred of the 
> President is a man who, like his "tyranny" frothing pastor, deserves 
> my scorn at minimum, and my indictment in all truth.
>
> Keely
> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 13:44:40 -0800
> > From: godshatter at yahoo.com
> > To: kjajmix1 at msn.com
> > CC: coolerfixer at roadrunner.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] THe lunatic fringe assasinates 
> Congresswoman Giffords (D) AZ
> >
> >
> > Keely,
> >
> > My condolences to your mother, I can't imagine the pain of knowing that
> > people your care about might be injured or worse, while not being able
> > to find out anything amidst the chaos as new information comes to light
> > and old information is shown to be in error.
> >
> > I can understand your concerns relating to a professed Christian doing
> > something like this, assuming that this person is a Christian and 
> indeed
> > that the person that was subdued and arrested was the shooter.
> >
> > I would just like to point out that we know nothing about why the
> > shooter did what he did. Giffords was a blue-dog democrat, a moderate
> > in a sea of extremism. She might have been targeted by people on either
> > side. It may also be that this man had something personal against her.
> > He might have even thought she was an alien or something and that he 
> had
> > to save humanity from invasion. I rather wish the original poster of
> > this thread had left out the "lunatic fringe" part until we actually 
> had
> > some semblance of a reason for this person's actions.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > keely emerinemix wrote:
> > > I'm in shock, and frankly inconsolable. CNN reports that they can't
> > > confirm her death, nor that of the federal judge with her, as has 
> been
> > > reported. Also, there are reports of 18 shot, not 13.
> > >
> > > On a personal level, and to explain why I'm inconsolable, Gabrielle
> > > was a dear friend of my father's, and he acted as an unofficial
> > > advisor to her -- someone who, if he were alive, would undoubtedly
> > > have been there with her. That's jarring. But she's an acquaintance
> > > of my mother's, and my mother, a 50-year Tucson resident active in
> > > politics that entire time, knows most of her staff, as well as all of
> > > the federal judges in the area. I'm afraid she's in for some
> > > tremendous loss. All of us are, but I'm sure you'll forgive me if I'm
> > > taking this extraordinarily personal. Gabrielle's staff was at my
> > > father's funeral in February 2009; she was meeting with Obama at the
> > > same time, but her condolences were for a man she admired 
> tremendously
> > > and whose wisdom, and friendship, she availed herself of regularly.
> > > I'm glad Dad isn't here to see this.
> > >
> > > But it's also personal because the shooter is likely someone who
> > > claims Christ as Savior, who believes the radical, Tea Party fringe
> > > represents the best promise of the Gospel and the best hope of
> > > America, and who stands for everything I hate in the name of Jesus
> > > Christ. I have fought against bigotry for my entire adult life, and
> > > particularly here in Moscow against those vicious and craven bigots
> > > who promote hatred and division in the name of the One to whom I've
> > > pledged my life. Remember Dale Courtney's hideous "Obama
> > > assassination" joke after the Inauguration, or his "Obama Psalm" 
> stunt
> > > a few months ago. Remember Wilson's ten-point guide to resisting
> > > "Obama tyranny," a vile screed that not once cautioned those who read
> > > it to refrain from violence -- or even any display of personal hatred
> > > for the man. And I will remember what most of you don't know, and
> > > that's the few, but real, behind-the-scenes and off-record
> > > threatening, ugly, malicious and jolting comments I've received as a
> > > result of my speaking out and writing against Wilsonian and Tea Party
> > > bigotry. I'm not anyone of any consequence or importance, such that I
> > > have reason to be afraid; I don't hold myself as anyone significant
> > > enough to be concerned, really, and this certainly isn't about me.
> > > But I swear that, personal grief and horror aside, I will never back
> > > down from fighting against those elements in this country and in this
> > > county who act in hate and encourage malice, and there isn't anything
> > > on this earth that will keep me quiet in the face of this false,
> > > horrific gospel of filth perpetrated in the name of Christ.
> > >
> > > And yeah, I hold people like Courtney and Wilson responsible -- not
> > > accountable, but responsible -- for this and all other acts of terror
> > > whose increase, I'm afraid, is assured in the climate they encourage,
> > > revel in, and profit from. No way in hell will I ever stop fighting
> > > them. It won't be on Vision, but it will be there.
> > >
> > > Finally, please pray for all involved and their families, and maybe
> > > even for my mother, for whom this is even more personal than it is 
> for me.
> > >
> > > Keely
> > > www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 12:37:56 -0800
> > > > From: godshatter at yahoo.com
> > > > To: coolerfixer at roadrunner.com
> > > > CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] THe lunatic fringe assasinates
> > > Congresswoman Giffords (D) AZ
> > > >
> > > > From what I've read online, it's still up in the air whether or 
> not she
> > > > was killed, in fact one such report put out about a half-hour 
> ago said
> > > > she was alive and in surgery. Let's hope she pulls through.
> > > >
> > > > I'm sure this nutjob will try to say that he was trying to make a
> > > > political statement or was trying to save us from a 
> Congresswoman run
> > > > amok, or that it was a patriotic act or whatever, but he lost all
> > > rights
> > > > to such a statement by firing into the crowd at random. I'm glad 
> they
> > > > got him, and I hope they throw the book at him.
> > > >
> > > > Paul
> > > >
> > > > Mike Deleve wrote:
> > > > > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40978517/ns/politic
> > > > >
> > > > > Reports the shooter was white male, mid twenties with a semi-auto
> > > > > handgun. 5 others in her staff killed as well.
> > > > >
> > > > >
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