[Vision2020] Good morning campers - It's installment #19 -Encouragement

Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Thu Jan 6 12:47:03 PST 2011 

Not to mention that this is just an old Republican trick, used by
Reagan and then again by Bush: raise the deficit so that government
programs can be cut. It is a way of enacting Republican policy without
doing it in a more straighforward way.

Just because Republicans are dishonest about admitting this does it
follow that we have to pretend that this isn't what is really going
on? Sorry but I have a problem about seeming to be that stupid, at
least in public.

And this is the real reason why I'm disgusted by folks like Jeff, who
put up posts about values like "honesty" while promoting this very
same sort of crap.

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Chuck Kovis <ckovis at turbonet.com> wrote:
> Again, I didn't say anything about taking it away from the hedge fund
> managers.  I am just saying, why do people have to "sacrifice" when 25
> people make a billion dollars apiece?  Why should people work their tails
> off for $8.00 bucks an hour when another man/woman makes a billion dollars a
> year?  What's the point?  Pull themselves up by the bootstraps?  Should we
> "encourage" those guys/gals to work harder?  That they are going to get
> ahead?   When is enough, enough?  Should we close our schools as part of the
> sacrifice?  Should we go back to gravel freeways?  Should the military go
> back to chuckin' spears? Because, you know, I sure wouldn't want to stop
> those billionaires from donating at least half of their legally gotten gains
> to charity.  BTW, the owner of Facebook, if he gave away 99% of his wealth,
> he would still be worth 450 million dollars.  Now, that is what I would call
> a REAL sacrifice.  But, can't ask him to sacrifice that much, now, can we?
> But, it's time to kick the unions in the teeth, jerk back those pensions
> that were worked for over the years, and feel some real pain.  I can't wait
> til Ron Paul investigates the feds.  We'll see how far that goes.  All that
> money, you know, went to those dumb bastards that paid too much for their
> houses.  Let the sacrifice begin. Oh, did I miss the reading of the
> Constitution?    Can't wait 'till they get to the part about "In all Cases
> affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, the supreme Court
> shall have original Jurisdiction."     Chuck Kovis
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "the lockshop" <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com>
> To: "Chuck Kovis" <ckovis at turbonet.com>; "Jeff Harkins" <jeffh at moscow.com>;
> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 9:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Good morning campers - It's installment
> #19 -Encouragement
>
>
>> Its funny how taking what belongs to others against their will is the sin
>> of stealing when it comes to you and me but its "spreading the wealth
>> around" when it comes to "progressive" government.
>>
>> g
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Chuck Kovis" <ckovis at turbonet.com>
>> To: "the lockshop" <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com>; "Jeff Harkins"
>> <jeffh at moscow.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 8:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Good morning campers - It's installment
>> #19 -Encouragement
>>
>>
>>> Who said anything about taking it away from them?  I said, why should
>>> ANYONE
>>> sacrifice when 25 people make 1 billion dollars apiece.  Funny that
>>> gluttony
>>> is a sin when it comes to food, but not when it comes to "earning" money.
>>> Just an observation.  Chuck Kovis
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "the lockshop" <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com>
>>> To: "Chuck Kovis" <ckovis at turbonet.com>; "Jeff Harkins"
>>> <jeffh at moscow.com>;
>>> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 7:45 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Good morning campers - It's installment
>>> #19 -Encouragement
>>>
>>>
>>>> Why is it a "vice" to make a large sum of money? For all you know these
>>>> guys are donating 50% of their after tax income to charity. To decide
>>>> that
>>>> someone else has "too much money" and then decide to take some of it
>>>> away
>>>> at gunpoint because you think you could spend it more wisely strikes me
>>>> as
>>>> far more immoral.
>>>>
>>>> g
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Chuck Kovis" <ckovis at turbonet.com>
>>>> To: "Jeff Harkins" <jeffh at moscow.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 7:32 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Good morning campers - It's installment
>>>> #19 -Encouragement
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Why should ANYONE sacrifice when the top 25 hedge fund managers each
>>>>> made
>>>>> more than a BILLION dollars in salary and bonuses last year?  Talk
>>>>> about
>>>>> virtues.  How about vices?  Chuck Kovis
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Jeff Harkins" <jeffh at moscow.com>
>>>>> To: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:08 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Good morning campers - It's installment #19 -
>>>>> Encouragement
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Sometimes facts are scary things.  And sometimes scary facts
>>>>>> encourage
>>>>>> people to do things to deal with the scary facts.  Sometimes it takes
>>>>>> scary things to encourage people to address their fears and deal with
>>>>>> reality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "After years of deficit financing for state and local government
>>>>>>> (dems
>>>>>>> and repubs), it is time to begin to pay for the music.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fact
>>>>>>> "Here is a teaser intro to get folks to focus on the problems we are
>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>> facing.  Before you gnash your teeth and wring your hands in despair,
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> sure to link to the full article - then let the gnashing begin.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fact
>>>>>>> "We, as a nation and a republic of states are in serious fiscal
>>>>>>> condition.  Our present situation is NOT SUSTAINABLE.  Each U.S.
>>>>>>> citizen
>>>>>>> is going to sacrifice - over the next several decades."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fact
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's make the sacrifice count.  Let's do it well.  Let's fix the
>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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