[Vision2020] State Budget Deficits

Wed Jan 5 16:22:09 PST 2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YENbElb5-xY

That's the exact reason Cheney said we shouldn't invade Baghdad back in 94.
It would have created a quagmire.  Cheney should have heeded his own advice
in 2002.

-Reggie

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>wrote:

> I had no problem with the first invasion. But if we had gone to
> Baghdad then, we'd still be there. All the more reason not to go in
> the first place. It is not so much a question of whether we had the
> "right" but whether it made any sense. It didn't. BIG mistake. If you
> think I'm wrong, tell me how and when we can leave?
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 4:05 PM, the lockshop <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com>
> wrote:
> > In addition, Iraq was in violation of the terms of surrender from the
> > first gulf war (near daily missle launches at aircraft patroling the
> > northern no-fly zone and refusing to cooperate with weapons inspectors as
> > stipulated) and as such, the US had every right to resume hostilities
> based
> > on that alone.
> >
> > In hind sight, the bigger mistake was halting short of Baghdad the first
> > time around and failing to depose Saddam at that time.
> >
> > g
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> > To: "Joe Campbell" <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> > Cc: <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State Budget Deficits
> >>I won't argue that the war in Iraq was not a mistake. It may have been,
> but
> >> the evidence at the time was that there were WMD. The fact that none
> were
> >> found does not mean that they did not have any. They did use biological
> >> weapons on the Kurds. You are right that it contributed to the debt. I
> do
> >> not think that it had anything to do with the recession.
> >> Roger
> >> -----Original message-----
> >> From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> >> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 12:21:20 -0800
> >> To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State Budget Deficits
> >>
> >>> There was nothing "necessary" about the invasion of Iraq. It was a
> >>> mistake and got us debt and a recession. I'd like to see some
> >>> conservatives admit that.
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:25 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> >>> > Joe
> >>> > You make a false analogy by claiming that someone values war and
> >>> > incarceration more than education. No one values war for the sake of
> war,
> >>> > but it is sometimes necessary. The same goes for incarceration.
> >>> > Incarceration is necessary to keep dangerous people from harming the
> public.
> >>> > I think that we could agree that there are people in prison who would
> be
> >>> > better dealt with in an other manner.
> >>> > Roger
> >>> > -----Original message-----
> >>> > From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> >>> > Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 20:44:28 -0800
> >>> > To: Jeff Harkins jeffh at moscow.com
> >>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State Budget Deficits
> >>> >
> >>> >> It is a relative claim: you value war and incarceration MORE than
> >>> >> public education. Otherwise, you'd be for tax increases to pay for
> the war
> >>> >> started by the last President, the one he put on "credit cards."
> Your
> >>> >> regular comments support this more than your denials refute it.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I'll take the statement back when I see a change in the bs rhetoric
> >>> >> that you and your conservative friends have been throwing out.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> On Jan 4, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Jeff Harkins <jeffh at moscow.com> wrote:
> >>> >>
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >> It is a matter of values, not money. You and Jeff no longer value
> >>> >> >> public education; you are more willing to put your money toward
> war
> >>> >> >> and incarceration than education, for instance. That's how I see
> >>> >> >> it.
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> > Your personal comments reflect exactly who you are. You could not
> be
> >>> >> > more wrongheaded.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > I do not have to defend my 30 years in public education to you.
> And
> >>> >> > you know nothing about my commitments to improve education, at all
> levels.
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> > As I have suggested numerous times, I see very little gained in
> >>> >> > interacting with you. Perhaps we can share the blog space and
> choose not to
> >>> >> > interact at a personal level. Let's focus on the issues at hand.
> >>> >>
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