<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YENbElb5-xY">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YENbElb5-xY</a><br><br>That's the exact reason Cheney said we shouldn't invade Baghdad back in 94. It would have created a quagmire. Cheney should have heeded his own advice in 2002.<br>
<br>-Reggie<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Joe Campbell <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
I had no problem with the first invasion. But if we had gone to<br>
Baghdad then, we'd still be there. All the more reason not to go in<br>
the first place. It is not so much a question of whether we had the<br>
"right" but whether it made any sense. It didn't. BIG mistake. If you<br>
think I'm wrong, tell me how and when we can leave?<br>
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On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 4:05 PM, the lockshop <<a href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com">lockshop@pull.twcbc.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> In addition, Iraq was in violation of the terms of surrender from the<br>
> first gulf war (near daily missle launches at aircraft patroling the<br>
> northern no-fly zone and refusing to cooperate with weapons inspectors as<br>
> stipulated) and as such, the US had every right to resume hostilities based<br>
> on that alone.<br>
><br>
> In hind sight, the bigger mistake was halting short of Baghdad the first<br>
> time around and failing to depose Saddam at that time.<br>
><br>
> g<br>
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>>I won't argue that the war in Iraq was not a mistake. It may have been, but<br>
>> the evidence at the time was that there were WMD. The fact that none were<br>
>> found does not mean that they did not have any. They did use biological<br>
>> weapons on the Kurds. You are right that it contributed to the debt. I do<br>
>> not think that it had anything to do with the recession.<br>
>> Roger<br>
>> -----Original message-----<br>
>> From: Joe Campbell <a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a><br>
>> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 12:21:20 -0800<br>
>> To: lfalen <a href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State Budget Deficits<br>
>><br>
>>> There was nothing "necessary" about the invasion of Iraq. It was a<br>
>>> mistake and got us debt and a recession. I'd like to see some<br>
>>> conservatives admit that.<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:25 AM, lfalen <<a href="mailto:lfalen@turbonet.com">lfalen@turbonet.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> > Joe<br>
>>> > You make a false analogy by claiming that someone values war and<br>
>>> > incarceration more than education. No one values war for the sake of war,<br>
>>> > but it is sometimes necessary. The same goes for incarceration.<br>
>>> > Incarceration is necessary to keep dangerous people from harming the public.<br>
>>> > I think that we could agree that there are people in prison who would be<br>
>>> > better dealt with in an other manner.<br>
>>> > Roger<br>
>>> > -----Original message-----<br>
>>> > From: Joe Campbell <a href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">philosopher.joe@gmail.com</a><br>
>>> > Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 20:44:28 -0800<br>
>>> > To: Jeff Harkins <a href="mailto:jeffh@moscow.com">jeffh@moscow.com</a><br>
>>> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State Budget Deficits<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> >> It is a relative claim: you value war and incarceration MORE than<br>
>>> >> public education. Otherwise, you'd be for tax increases to pay for the war<br>
>>> >> started by the last President, the one he put on "credit cards." Your<br>
>>> >> regular comments support this more than your denials refute it.<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> I'll take the statement back when I see a change in the bs rhetoric<br>
>>> >> that you and your conservative friends have been throwing out.<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> On Jan 4, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Jeff Harkins <<a href="mailto:jeffh@moscow.com">jeffh@moscow.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> >><br>
>>> >> ><br>
>>> >> >> It is a matter of values, not money. You and Jeff no longer value<br>
>>> >> >> public education; you are more willing to put your money toward war<br>
>>> >> >> and incarceration than education, for instance. That's how I see<br>
>>> >> >> it.<br>
>>> >> >><br>
>>> >> > Your personal comments reflect exactly who you are. You could not be<br>
>>> >> > more wrongheaded.<br>
>>> >> ><br>
>>> >> > I do not have to defend my 30 years in public education to you. And<br>
>>> >> > you know nothing about my commitments to improve education, at all levels.<br>
>>> >> ><br>
>>> >> > As I have suggested numerous times, I see very little gained in<br>
>>> >> > interacting with you. Perhaps we can share the blog space and choose not to<br>
>>> >> > interact at a personal level. Let's focus on the issues at hand.<br>
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