[Vision2020] State Budget Deficits

[Joe Campbell]

Three things, Roger. 

1) There is NO reason to believe there was credible evidence of WMD. 

2) Even if they had WMD that is not a reason for invading a country (we have WMD, for instance).

3) Anyone who knew anything about the region knew that once we got in, it would be difficult to get out.

It was not just a bad decision but was among the worst policy decisions ever made by the US -- and we're still paying the price.

On Jan 5, 2011, at 2:35 PM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:

> I won't argue that the war in Iraq was not a mistake. It may have been, but the evidence at the time was that there were WMD. The fact that none were found does not mean that they did not have any. They did use biological weapons on the Kurds. You are right that it contributed to the debt. I do not think that it had anything to do with the recession.
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2011 12:21:20 -0800
> To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State Budget Deficits
> 
>> There was nothing "necessary" about the invasion of Iraq. It was a
>> mistake and got us debt and a recession. I'd like to see some
>> conservatives admit that.
>> 
>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 10:25 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>>> Joe
>>> You make a false analogy by claiming that someone values  war and incarceration more than education. No one values war for the sake of war, but it is sometimes necessary. The same goes for incarceration. Incarceration is necessary to keep dangerous people from harming the public. I think that we could agree that there are people in prison who would be better dealt with in an other manner.
>>> Roger
>>> -----Original message-----
>>> From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
>>> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2011 20:44:28 -0800
>>> To: Jeff Harkins jeffh at moscow.com
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] State Budget Deficits
>>> 
>>>> It is a relative claim: you value war and incarceration MORE than public education. Otherwise, you'd be for tax increases to pay for the war started by the last President, the one he put on "credit cards." Your regular comments support this more than your denials refute it.
>>>> 
>>>> I'll take the statement back when I see a change in the bs rhetoric that you and your conservative friends have been throwing out.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 4, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Jeff Harkins <jeffh at moscow.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> It is a matter of values, not money. You and Jeff no longer value
>>>>>> public education; you are more willing to put your money toward war
>>>>>> and incarceration than education, for instance. That's how I see it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> Your personal comments reflect exactly who you are.  You could not be more wrongheaded.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I do not have to defend my 30 years in public education to you.  And you know nothing about my commitments to improve education, at all levels.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As I have suggested numerous times, I see very little gained in interacting with you.  Perhaps we can share the blog space and choose not to interact at a personal level.  Let's focus on the issues at hand.
>>>> 
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