[Vision2020] US Chamber’s Lobbyists Solicited Hackers To Sabotage Unions , Smear Chamber’s Political Opponents

[Dave]

Wow, I didn't mean to make you write a book.

I don't disagree with anything you say here.

Dave


On 02/13/2011 09:55 PM, Kenneth Marcy wrote:
> On Sunday 13 February 2011 20:29:00 Dave wrote:
>> You want to tell that to an Egyptian right now?
> NO!! Certainly not. The Egyptians, however, are in the different situation of
> nearly starting over in their national organization. Instead of using nukes,
> they used tweets to remove the face and the skullcap of their body politic.
> Now they have to invent some set of neurosurgical processes, some set of
> constitutional convention, political reorganization, and legal restructuring
> to rearchitect, to replumb, and to rewire the constitutional, statutory, and
> political structures of their society. Then having done that, they have to
> reface and to recap their national headship with a new set of people to embody
> and effect the new structures and responsibilities of power.
>
> Egyptians are in the exciting, but dangerous, position of having done the
> easier part of revolution -- the creative destruction part. A large number of
> 140-character tweeters was sufficient for that part. Now they need more
> organization of a smaller number of full-bore text processors operated by
> their own new founding fathers and mothers in constitutional convention to
> accomplish the heavy-duty writing for a new national legal structure.
>
> Americans' situation differs from the Egyptians' situation in that we don't
> need to scrap our entire government, but we do need to re-envision our system
> of business and commerce vis-a-vis the our systems of national and state
> governments, and the structures of economic democracy that should form the
> interfaces between economic activities and civic affairs.
>
> Is the phrase business ethics an oxymoron? On one hand we have Milton
> Friedman, F. A. Hayek, and their ideological offspring who essentially say yes.
> Let business do business, and the rest can take care of itself as it can, and
> if it can't so be it. On the other hand we have F. D. Roosevelt, J. M. Keynes,
> and five generations of people, most of whom appreciate that some degrees of
> guidance, regulation, and control of otherwise laissez-faire activities could
> achieve the dual goals of commercial profitability and social stabilization
> that are beneficial both to business people and the remainder of civil society.
>
> The last decade at least, and the last four decades for certain, have
> demonstrated that our collective understanding and control of our economic
> systems leaves a lot to be desired. Ever since Lyndon Johnson refused to raise
> taxes to pay for the Viet Nam War, American economic activities have been
> tempered by self-serving forces controlling the central levers of monetary and
> fiscal power. This financial-governmental complex, every bit as powerful as
> Eisenhower's military-industrial complex, has, like the latter, also been
> outside of the reach of democratically-selected representatives of the
> sovereign power of the American electorate.
>
> Americans now need to accomplish the dual goals of re-envisioning a better and
> more democratically responsive system of economic governance, and find a set of
> political routes and activities to implement the results of this new economic
> architecture without disrupting either the economic activities that power the
> system or the economic benefits that motivate the operation of the system. This
> is an especially challenging task because both parts of the foundation and
> parts of the superstructure need to be remodeled simultaneously. But it can be
> done. Whether we have the collective will to get the job done amid incessant
> on-going discussions of the efficacy of any set of decisions upon which to
> proceed is a matter yet to be observed.
>
>
> Ken
>
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