[Vision2020] News From the Left
lfalen
lfalen at turbonet.com
Fri Feb 11 12:53:31 PST 2011
That may be, but I would rate thier objectivity higher than that of Media Matter, Saundra, Wayne and Nick.
Roger
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From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 10:11:40 -0800
To: the lockshop lockshop at pull.twcbc.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] News From the Left
> I'll grant that Fox News is as objective as Crabtree.
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> On Feb 11, 2011, at 7:18 AM, "the lockshop" <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com> wrote:
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> > An anonymous double secret source quoted by Media Matters, a group that exists solely to promote liberal viewpoints and trash FOX news at every opportunity. How could objective observers take that as anything other then unvarnished truth?
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> > g
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Saundra Lund
> > To: 'Moscow Vision 2020'
> > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 9:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] News >From the Left
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> > In part, Gary Crabtree wrote:
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> > “As for me, I accept the media for what it is and by that I mean by and large liberal. My only complaint, if I had any, would be when folks try to make out as though FOX were a direct extension of the Republican party and all the other news organizations were the embodiment of even handed, unbiased reportage.”
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> > Even though Gary Crabtree obviously doesn’t like to be confused with facts, other Visionaries might find the following interesting:
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> > http://mediamatters.org/blog/201102100007
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> > Asked what most viewers and observers of Fox News would be surprised to learn about the controversial cable channel, a former insider from the world of Rupert Murdoch was quick with a response: “I don’t think people would believe it’s as concocted as it is; that stuff is just made up.”
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> > Indeed, a former Fox News employee who recently agreed to talk with Media Matters confirmed what critics have been saying for years about Murdochs cable channel. Namely, that Fox News is run as a purely partisan operation, virtually every news story is actively spun by the staff, its primary goal is to prop up Republicans and knock down Democrats, and that staffers at Fox News routinely operate without the slightest regard for fairness or fact checking.
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> > “It is their M.O. to undermine the administration and to undermine Democrats,” says the source. “They’re a propaganda outfit but they call themselves news.”
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> > And that’s the word from inside Fox News.
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> > Note the story here isn’t that Fox News leans right. Everyone knows the channel pushes a conservative-friendly version of the news. Everyone who’s been paying attention has known that since the channel’s inception more than a decade ago. The real story, and the real danger posed by the cable outlet, is that over time Fox News stopped simply leaning to the right and instead became an open and active political player, sort of one-part character assassin and one-part propagandist, depending on which party was in power. And that the operation thrives on fabrications and falsehoods <snip>
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> > (That’s only part of the article – I highly recommend reading the entire thing.)
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> > Of course, that’s nothing surprising to objective observers, is it?
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> > Saundra Lund
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> > Moscow, ID
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> > The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.
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> > ~ Edmund Burke
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> >
> > ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2010 through life plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of the author.*****
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> > From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of Gary Crabtree
> > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 6:02 PM
> > To: Reggie Holmquist; the lockshop
> > Cc: Moscow Vision 2020
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] News From the Left
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> > You should be asking Ms. Lund. She suggested that Current was a solution to some complaint heard only in the cob web wrapped confines of her imagination.
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> > As for me, I accept the media for what it is and by that I mean by and large liberal. My only complaint, if I had any, would be when folks try to make out as though FOX were a direct extension of the Republican party and all the other news organizations were the embodiment of even handed, unbiased reportage.
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> > As far as a solution for MSNBC and Mr. Olbermann is concerned, it has been found and implemented to my immense satisfaction with no involvement or input on my part required.
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> > g
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> > From: Reggie Holmquist
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> > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 2:17 PM
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> > To: the lockshop
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> > Cc: Moscow Vision 2020
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> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] News From the Left
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> > What do you mean by "the solution to a 'lame stream' media that has a decided leftward bias"?
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> > What do you mean by "solution"? I'm seriously confused. Is everything but Fox News left-wing and we need some sort of "solution" for that? Or are you just saying that we need some sort of "solution" for MSNBC and/or Keith Olbermann? Please elaborate clearly.
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> > -Reggie
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> > On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 2:12 PM, the lockshop <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com> wrote:
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> > The "irony" is that you imagine that the solution to a "lame stream" media
> > that has a decided leftward bias is yet another media outlet with a lefty
> > slant. Providing a refuge for Olbermann as the company's chief news officer
> > is not too likely to make Current into anything other than an updated
> > version of MSNBC/CNN with even less journalistic objectivity or integrity.
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> > That said, as long as the enterprise is privately funded they are fine by me
> > and I am fairly sure that you would have a remarkably difficult time
> > pointing to anything I might have said in the previous postings that would
> > indicate anything other than the plain and simple fact that their viewership
> > numbers are low.
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> > When it comes to minds both narrow and simple, I would have to think that
> > they would best be typified by those who work themselves into a frenzied
> > snit over things they only imagine having been said.
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> > g
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> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Saundra Lund" <v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>
> >
> > To: "'Moscow Vision 2020'" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 11:35 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] News From the Left
> >
> >
> > > Just as I thought -- both again posted their verbal vomit without even
> > > making an attempt to educate themselves. All they had to see was
> > > Olbermann & Gore, and their simple-minded narrow-mindedness again
> > > triumphed.
> > >
> > > The irony, of course, is that both should be supporting networks like
> > > Current TV since both love to trash "lamestream" media. Smaller networks
> > > & community stations are a solution to their complaints, yet they still
> > > can't do anything more than trash talk. What a shock!
> > >
> > > Not :-)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: lfalen [mailto:lfalen at turbonet.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 10:53 AM
> > > To: Saundra Lund; 'Moscow Vision 2020'
> > > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] News From the Left
> > >
> > > I do not know anything about Current TV as I do not watch TV and have no
> > > opinion on theit content. My comment was in regard to what I have heard
> > > is their low viewing audience.
> > > Roger
> > > -----Original message-----
> > > From: "Saundra Lund" v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm
> > > Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 13:00:42 -0800
> > > To: "'lfalen'" lfalen at turbonet.com, "'Moscow Vision 2020'"
> > > vision2020 at moscow.com
> > > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] News From the Left
> > >
> > >> Thanks for once again reminding us, Gary & Roger, of your
> > >> narrow-mindedness. Not much chance any of us would forget it, but it's
> > >> nice that you both take every opportunity to make *sure* we don’t forget
> > >> it while also never missing an opportunity to unceasingly whine when you
> > >> think the Unthinking Right is getting picked upon.
> > >>
> > >> I'm also grateful that you two continue to show your ignorance. Current
> > >> TV actually has some great programming enjoyed by many Americans, but you
> > >> two ideologues are too ignorant to even attempt to educate yourselves
> > >> before spouting off your ugliness. Good job -- I'm sure your families
> > >> are SO PROUD of you!!!
> > >>
> > >> Roger & Gary, why don't you both tell us what you find wrong with Current
> > >> TV? Do it quickly, though, or it will be obvious that you both ran off
> > >> at the mouth -- again -- without having the slightest idea of what you
> > >> were attempting to talk about.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Saundra Lund
> > >> Moscow, ID
> > >>
> > >> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
> > >> nothing.
> > >> ~ Edmund Burke
> > >>
> > >> ***** Original material contained herein is Copyright 2010 through life
> > >> plus 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce
> > >> outside the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of
> > >> the author.*****
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> > >> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] On Behalf Of lfalen
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2011 11:25 AM
> > >> To: Tom Hansen; Moscow Vision 2020
> > >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] News From the Left
> > >>
> > >> Good place for him. He can babble on and few will hear or pay any
> > >> attention to him.
> > >> Roger
> > >>
> > >>
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