[Vision2020] deluxe parking accommodations for some-payedforby others

[Darrell Keim]

I am by NO MEANS an expert, but have some experience in this area via my
time at the Chamber.  Businesses do not pay directly for such things as
roads and parking (unless we are talking about malls, or off street
parking).  These things are paid for by the taxes the business pays-just
like Joe Sixpack pays taxes for same.  Unless the businesses choose to
implement a Business Improvement District.  This self taxing district would
be able to use the funds it raised at its own discretion for beautification,
security, etc. Disability access-such as modifying a building to bring it
into ADA compliance-is at the cost of a business.

On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>wrote:

> Do businesses have to pay for parking lots or anything associated with
> their car customers? What about disability access? Is that paid for by the
> city or the business? Anyone know?
>
> On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Bill London <london at moscow.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> G-
>> As I understand the ordinance now before the Council, bike racks will be
>> required only on NEW OR EXPANDED apartment buildings or businesses.  In
>> other words, the ordinance would alter the standards Moscow sets for changes
>> to the city and its amenities.
>> I doubt that you would like to eliminate all standards, so the question
>> becomes: what standards are appropriate now and what criteria are
>> appropriate now?
>> Requiring bike racks encourages bike use, increased bike use is an
>> excellent strategy to meet national (as well as city) goals in traffic
>> control, obesity targets, lessening reliance on foreign oil, etc.  In sum, a
>> more livable town.   That’s a reasonable standard.
>> BL
>>
>>  *From:* Gary Crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, February 05, 2011 4:14 PM
>> *To:* Robert Dickow <dickow at uidaho.edu> ; 'the lockshop'<lockshop at pull.twcbc.com>;
>> vision2020 at moscow.com
>> *Cc:* wkrauss at ci.moscow.id.us ; tbrown at ci.moscow.id.us ;
>> wmsteed at ci.moscow.id.us ; sscott at ci.moscow.id.us ;
>> nchaney at ci.moscow.id.us ; dcarscallen at ci.moscow.id.us ;
>> tlamar at ci.moscow.id.us
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] deluxe parking accommodations for
>> some-payedforby others
>>
>>  That being the case, why not leave it up to the individual business to
>> make the decision
>> to woo you and your bulging wallet in by providing hermetically sealed,
>> air conditioned, gem encrusted bike accommodations?
>>
>> Should the city, with its unerring eye for economic bounty, decide to dip
>> into its coffers and build a bike rack on every corner of every block
>> taxpayers would howl and rightly so.
>> Even though such a scheme would have the ultimate beneficiaries paying at
>> least a portion of the cost and result in a similar number or parking slots,
>> voters would see it for the wasteful boondoggle that it is. Forcing the
>> expense off onto private property owners doesn't make it any better.
>>
>> g
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>>
>> g
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>> From: "Robert Dickow" <dickow at uidaho.edu>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 1:05 PM
>> To: "'the lockshop'" <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com>; <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Cc: <dcarscallen at ci.moscow.id.us>; <tbrown at ci.moscow.id.us>; <
>> wmsteed at ci.moscow.id.us>; <sscott at ci.moscow.id.us>; <
>> nchaney at ci.moscow.id.us>; <wkrauss at ci.moscow.id.us>; <
>> tlamar at ci.moscow.id.us>
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] deluxe parking accommodations for some-paid for
>> by others
>>
>> > Curiously, Instead of 'government intrusion into business' I thought it
>> was
>> > quite the opposite. I thought the bike parking issue was for the benefit
>> of
>> > the business, not the bikers. Heck, if I knew I could tie my bike up in
>> such
>> > a parking facility I would do 100% of my shopping downtown by bike.
>> Usually
>> > in the past I would tie my bike to a tree or post, lacking other handy
>> > facilities, and discover that my lock chain didn't fit around the
>> tree...
>> > blah blah blah, so there was a disincentive. Businesses... think of the
>> > growth of business in town!
>> >
>> > Bob Dickow, troublemaker
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:
>> vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
>> > On Behalf Of the lockshop
>> > Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 9:39 AM
>> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > Cc: wkrauss at ci.moscow.id.us; tbrown at ci.moscow.id.us;
>> > wmsteed at ci.moscow.id.us; sscott at ci.moscow.id.us;
>> nchaney at ci.moscow.id.us;
>> > dcarscallen at ci.moscow.id.us; tlamar at ci.moscow.id.us
>> > Subject: [Vision2020] deluxe parking accommodations for some-paid for by
>> > others
>> >
>> > Does anyone other then myself wonder why the city in its infinite wisdom
>>
>> > doesn't spend a little more time worrying about city property and assets
>> and
>> >
>> > a little less time trying to dream up ways to inflict itself on private
>> > property owners, developers, and businesses? I'm speaking of course
>> about
>> > the councils latest intrusion into the lives of its business community,
>> the
>> > proposed bike parking ordnance. <snip>...
>> >
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