[Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and Racism

[Paul Rumelhart]

Yes!  *does a little dance*  You're starting to understand!

Paul

On 12/31/2011 04:01 PM, Tom Hansen wrote:
> Paul Rumelhart suggests:
>
> "And once again, this is only out there in order to distract us.  
> These people could care less if it's even true.  It's just convenient."
>
> Ya mean like the Republican/Tea Party's response to a statement made 
> by Obama's pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, right?
>
> Seeya later, Moscow.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Spokane, Washington
>
> "If not us, who?
> If not now, when?"
>
> - Unknown
>
> On Dec 31, 2011, at 3:52 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com 
> <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
>>
>> Does it matter whether or not the allegations are true?  Or do we 
>> just call them out anyway?
>>
>> Here is an article from CBS News about the newsletters: 
>> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57345702-503544/ron-paul-disavows-racist-newsletters-under-his-name/
>>
>> The article contains a quote by Ron Paul on the issue:
>>
>> "When I was out of Congress and practicing medicine full-time, a 
>> newsletter was published under my name that I did not edit. Several 
>> writers contributed to the product," he said. "For over a decade, I 
>> have publicly taken moral responsibility for not paying closer 
>> attention to what went out under my name."
>>
>> I'd hate to see the man dragged over the coals for something he might 
>> not have deserved solely because (for example) Jon Huntsman is losing 
>> to Ron Paul in New Hampshire and has staked his campaign on a strong 
>> showing there.
>>
>> I got that last bit from this article: 
>> http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57349712-503544/huntsman-calls-ron-paul-unelectable-because-of-racist-newsletters/
>>
>> And once again, this is only out there in order to distract us.  
>> These people could care less if it's even true.  It's just convenient.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On 12/31/2011 02:44 PM, keely emerinemix wrote:
>>> I don't think you're defending racism, racist behavior, or even the 
>>> wrongness of screaming "He's a racist!" at the slightest apparent 
>>> provocation.  That said, I think it's imperative that legitimate 
>>> indications that an individual's views on race/gender/class/civil 
>>> rights/culture are bigoted be called out, examined, and condemned -- 
>>> and I believe that the text of Ron Paul's newsletters are an example.
>>>
>>> Keely
>>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com <http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and Racism
>>> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 14:41:13 -0800
>>> From: jborden at datawedge.com <mailto:jborden at datawedge.com>
>>> To: kjajmix1 at msn.com <mailto:kjajmix1 at msn.com>; 
>>> v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm <mailto:v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>; 
>>> vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>>
>>> I’m not **defending** racism, I’m commenting on the mere 
>>> finger-pointing and accusations being so charged that it’s a nuclear 
>>> weapon in a political arsenal.
>>>
>>> It’s used as a tool for distraction, and hence, theatrics.  (And, 
>>> unless I missed the mark, perhaps Mr. Rumelhart’s point).
>>>
>>> Insert story of “crying wolf”.
>>>
>>> Jay
>>>
>>> *From:*keely emerinemix [mailto:kjajmix1 at msn.com]
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 31, 2011 2:27 PM
>>> *To:* Jay Borden; v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm 
>>> <mailto:v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>; vision2020 at moscow.com 
>>> <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> *Subject:* RE: [Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and Racism
>>>
>>> Jay, I would rue the day that racist behavior and bigoted views 
>>> become irrelevant in how we choose our leaders.  There are issues 
>>> that truly good people can disagree on; racism, however, is never 
>>> the view of a "truly good person," and in fact ought to, by virtue 
>>> of popular outcry, immediately make a pariah out of the one who 
>>> embraces it.
>>>
>>> Keely
>>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com <http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 14:17:33 -0800
>>> From: jborden at datawedge.com <mailto:jborden at datawedge.com>
>>> To: v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm <mailto:v2020 at ssl1.fastmail.fm>; 
>>> vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: On Ron Paul and Racism
>>>
>>> I would agree with Paul’s statement… but I would word it a bit 
>>> differently to deflect some of the immediate hatred I’m sure will be 
>>> heading my way.
>>>
>>> I would say that racism, like abortion and gay marriage are **USED** 
>>> as theatrical issues.
>>>
>>> It’s interesting as soon as any candidate becomes popular in the 
>>> polls, some wild-card story gets tossed about dealing with one of 
>>> these issues.  Then it’s pressed as long as necessary until the 
>>> candidate just “goes away”.
>>>
>>> Rick Perry (again, not a fan) was gaining traction… and then 
>>> suddenly a story about “Niggerhead” surfaced.  (He has since nearly 
>>> imploded on his own, but that’s a separate issue).
>>>
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