[Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul's Discredited Campaign

Paul Rumelhart godshatter at yahoo.com
Fri Dec 30 11:54:31 PST 2011


According to this link 
(http://www.southernnh912.com/sites/default/files/PresidentialCandidatePositions_20111203.pdf), 
Gingrich, Paul, and Romney are for, Perry is against.  The others state 
that their campaigns have been contacted, but no answer has been 
received.  I don't know what Obama's stance is on term limits.

Paul

On 12/30/2011 11:02 AM, Jay Borden wrote:
>
> I've been a proponent of term limits for... well, forever.  We limit 
> the number of terms for our President, we need to limit the terms in 
> our House and Senate.   Having people in office for **decades** does 
> nothing but consolidate power and invite corruption.
>
> If you **truly** want representation in America, we have to rotate 
> through our elected representatives... frequently.
>
> To do this, Americans are going to have to put aside all other 
> opinions until this is achieved.  Environment?  Abortion?  Taxes?  
> Left-handed dentists?  All of these items need to be tabled, and the 
> **one question** that needs to be asked of a candidate is "Will you 
> introduce and vote for term limits?"  It needs to be the **only** 
> reason to vote for a candidate, and until the goal is accomplished, it 
> needs to be the **only**reason that a candidate is voted FOR.
>
> THEN, when term limits come to fruition... when our elected 
> representatives cannot stay in office and continue to consolidate 
> power and control... then we can dust off our beliefs and take them to 
> a government that is as elastic as the population it represents.
>
> Jay
>
> *From:*vision2020-bounces at moscow.com 
> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com] *On Behalf Of *Paul Rumelhart
> *Sent:* Friday, December 30, 2011 9:47 AM
> *To:* Art Deco
> *Cc:* Vision2020 at moscow.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul's Discredited Campaign
>
>
> If he does what I think he'll do if he gets into office, he'll veto 
> anything that he finds to be unconstitutional.  This will, at the very 
> least, help stop abuses like the Patriot Act and increases in funding 
> for DHS.  Even if Congress can come up with enough votes to override 
> the veto, issues like this will suddenly be at the forefront of the 
> "national conversation" about what's going on in government.  For this 
> alone, I'd like to see him get in there.
>
> Paul
>
> On 12/30/2011 09:29 AM, Art Deco wrote:
>
> I agree with Rumelhart to the extent that things in this country [and 
> globally] are broken beyond the traditional politicians' ways 
> of repairing them.  We need bold, realistic, non-poll-driven leaders 
> who can convince us to re-evaluate our situation, offer feasible 
> solutions, and to convince us to make the inevitable selfless 
> sacrifices necessary.
>
> Though not traditional, I do not think Ron Paul is one of those leaders.
>
> His view of the world and his positions are too simplistic for the 
> complex, diverse, globally competitive world we live in.  The latest 
> revelations have shown that his integrity does not rise above the 
> minimum standard.  The simplicity of his views are his main attraction 
> to many, but reality is the barricade to his views ever producing 
> workable solutions -- they would be even more disastrous than the 
> messes we now face.
>
> In addition, some of his views are so abhorrent and/or crackpotty that 
> he would not be likely to convince congress to implement them in the 
> face of public opinion.
>
> Having said that, I am unable to suggest any leader or group of 
> leaders that seem capable of fixing things.  The best I can hope for 
> is that we elect the lesser of the evils, at least by a little, to 
> struggle on.
>
> I'm glad I'm old and not likely to live too much longer.  I don't not 
> want to see the result of where the world is heading and the 
> foolishness of those in power resisting what needs to be done to 
> change that direction.
>
> w.
>
> *From:*Sunil Ramalingam <mailto:sunilramalingam at hotmail.com>
>
> *Sent:*Friday, December 30, 2011 7:54 AM
>
> *Cc:*vision 2020 <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
>
> *Subject:*Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul's Discredited Campaign
>
> Why doesn't the NYT address Paul's stances on foreign policy? On 
> defense spending?
>
> Sunil
>
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> Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:38:24 -0800
> From: godshatter at yahoo.com <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>
> To: deco at moscow.com <mailto:deco at moscow.com>
> CC: Vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:Vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul's Discredited Campaign
>
>
> I'm beginning to believe that Ron Paul is our only hope to stop the 
> downslope this country is on.  For example, the Transportation 
> Security Administration just got an extra $7.85 billion in funding for 
> 2012, including several hundred million dollars of funding for whole 
> body imagers.  This passed both the House and the Senate.  Does anyone 
> here actually believe that terrorism is a personally actionable 
> danger?  Do you change your behavior at all due to the threat?  Do you 
> think all the security theater is worth the money?
>
> Ron Paul is about the only guy out there that votes against this kind 
> of crap.  Pretty much everybody else, (R) or (D), votes it in.  All 
> they seem to argue about is who is getting the pork.
>
> As I see it, your choices are 1) the same old shit, but next year 
> having slipped even farther away from rationality or 2) this one 
> bat-shit crazy dude that might actually try to do something about it.
>
> One thing I've noticed this year is that Ron Paul is actually getting 
> press.  There was a massive grassroots campaign for him the last 
> couple of elections, but nobody in the media would take him seriously 
> as an actual candidate.
>
> The fact that they have started the smear campaign means that there is 
> actually a chance of getting him in office.
>
> My advice?  Don't vote for the person that looks like the most 
> responsible Dad, or the guy that looks like he's someone you could 
> have a beer with, or the one that looks like a he's a successful 
> lawyer.  All of those guys are going to perpetuate the power grab that 
> has been going on for the last few decades.
>
> Vote for the dude that puts the fear of God into the others.  Vote for 
> the one that will work to decrease their power, not the others that 
> only want to increase it for personal gain.
>
> Sure, he's a bag of mixed nuts sometimes.  But he's the only one with 
> half a chance to shake things up a bit.
>
> This should be a fun election year.
>
> Paul
>
> On 12/28/2011 11:35 AM, Art Deco wrote:
>
>
> The New York Times <http://www.nytimes.com/>
>
> ·Reprints 
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/28/opinion/mr-pauls-discredited-campaign.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha211&pagewanted=print> 
>
>
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> December 27, 2011
>
>
>   Mr. Paul's Discredited Campaign
>
> Ron Paul long ago disqualified himself for the presidency by peddling 
> claptrap proposals like abolishing the Federal Reserve, returning to 
> the gold standard, cutting a third of the federal budget and all 
> foreign aid and opposing the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
> Now, making things worse, he has failed to convincingly repudiate 
> racist remarks that were published under his name for years --- or the 
> enthusiastic support he is getting from racist groups.
> Mr. Paul, a Republican congressman from Texas who is doing 
> particularly well in Iowa's precaucus polls, published several 
> newsletters in the '80s and '90s with names like the Ron Paul Survival 
> Report and the Ron Paul Political Report. The newsletters interspersed 
> libertarian political and investment commentary with racial bigotry, 
> anti-Semitism and far-right paranoia.
> Among other offensive statements, the newsletters said that 95 percent 
> of Washington's black males were criminals 
> <http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/12/22/v-print/133898/paul-walks-out-of-interview-over.html>, 
> and they described the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.'s birthday as 
> "Hate Whitey Day." One 1993 article 
> <http://www.tnr.com/sites/default/files/January1993.pdf> appeared 
> under a headline lamenting the country's "disappearing white 
> majority." Other articles suggested that the Mossad, the Israeli 
> intelligence service, was responsible for the 1993 World Trade Center 
> bombing, praised the Louisiana racist David Duke and accused some gay 
> men with AIDS of deliberately spreading the disease 
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/26/us/politics/ron-paul-disowns-extremists-views-but-doesnt-disavow-the-support.html?ref=politics&pagewanted=all>, 
> "perhaps out of a pathological hatred."
> A direct-mail ad 
> <http://mobile.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE7BM03320111223> for 
> the newsletters from around 1993 warned of a "coming race war in our 
> big cities" and said there was a "federal-homosexual cover-up" to 
> suppress the impact of AIDS.
> Mr. Paul, who, beginning in 2008, has disavowed the articles and their 
> ideas, now says that most of them were written by others and that he 
> was unaware of their content. Even if that were the case, it suggests 
> a stupendous level of negligence that should force a reconsideration 
> by anyone considering entrusting him with the White House.
> When the newsletters first became an issue during his Congressional 
> campaigns in the 1990s, however, he did not deny writing some of them 
> <http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2011/12/26/fifteen_years_ago_ron_paul_wasn_t_claiming_somebody_else_wrote_his_newsletters.html> 
> or knowing about them.
> Mr. Paul has never given a full and detailed accounting of who wrote 
> the newsletters and what his role was in overseeing their publication. 
> It's especially important that he do so immediately. Those writings 
> have certainly not been forgotten by white supremacist and militia 
> groups that are promoting his candidacy in Iowa and in New Hampshire.
> The Times reported on Sunday 
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/26/us/politics/ron-paul-disowns-extremists-views-but-doesnt-disavow-the-support.html> 
> that dozens of members of the white nationalist Web site Stormfront 
> are volunteering for the Paul campaign, along with far-right militias, 
> survivalists and anti-Zionist groups. Don Black, the Stormfront 
> director, said his members were drawn to Mr. Paul by the newsletters 
> and his positions against immigration and the Fed (run by Jews, Mr. 
> Black said), even if Mr. Paul were not himself a white nationalist.
> Mr. Paul, saying he still hopes to "convert" these supporters to his 
> views, has refused to disavow them or to chase them out of his 
> campaign. If he does not do so, he will leave a lasting stain on his 
> candidacy, on the libertarian movement and, very possibly, on the Iowa 
> caucuses.
>
> _____________________________________
>
> Wayne A. Fox
> wayne.a.fox at gmail.com <mailto:wayne.a.fox at gmail.com>
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