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According to this link
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.southernnh912.com/sites/default/files/PresidentialCandidatePositions_20111203.pdf">http://www.southernnh912.com/sites/default/files/PresidentialCandidatePositions_20111203.pdf</a>),
Gingrich, Paul, and Romney are for, Perry is against. The others
state that their campaigns have been contacted, but no answer has
been received. I don't know what Obama's stance is on term limits.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
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On 12/30/2011 11:02 AM, Jay Borden wrote:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">I’ve been a proponent of term limits for… well,
forever. We limit the number of terms for our President, we
need to limit the terms in our House and Senate. Having
people in office for *<b>decades</b>* does nothing but
consolidate power and invite corruption.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">If you *<b>truly</b>* want representation in
America, we have to rotate through our elected
representatives… frequently. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">To do this, Americans are going to have to put
aside all other opinions until this is achieved.
Environment? Abortion? Taxes? Left-handed dentists? All
of these items need to be tabled, and the *<b>one question</b>*
that needs to be asked of a candidate is “Will you introduce
and vote for term limits?” It needs to be the *<b>only</b>*
reason to vote for a candidate, and until the goal is
accomplished, it needs to be the *<b>only</b>*reason that a
candidate is voted FOR.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">THEN, when term limits come to fruition… when our
elected representatives cannot stay in office and continue
to consolidate power and control… then we can dust off our
beliefs and take them to a government that is as elastic as
the population it represents.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);">Jay<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:
"Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31,
73, 125);"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"; color:
windowtext;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:
10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif"; color:
windowtext;"> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com">mailto:vision2020-bounces@moscow.com</a>] <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Paul Rumelhart<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, December 30, 2011 9:47 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Art Deco<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul’s
Discredited Campaign<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><br>
If he does what I think he'll do if he gets into office, he'll
veto anything that he finds to be unconstitutional. This
will, at the very least, help stop abuses like the Patriot Act
and increases in funding for DHS. Even if Congress can come
up with enough votes to override the veto, issues like this
will suddenly be at the forefront of the "national
conversation" about what's going on in government. For this
alone, I'd like to see him get in there.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
On 12/30/2011 09:29 AM, Art Deco wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
"Verdana","sans-serif";">I agree with
Rumelhart to the extent that things in this country [and
globally] are broken beyond the traditional politicians'
ways of repairing them. We need bold, realistic,
non-poll-driven leaders who can convince us to re-evaluate
our situation, offer feasible solutions, and to convince
us to make the inevitable selfless sacrifices necessary.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
"Verdana","sans-serif";">Though not
traditional, I do not think Ron Paul is one of those
leaders.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
"Verdana","sans-serif";">His view of
the world and his positions are too simplistic for the
complex, diverse, globally competitive world we live in.
The latest revelations have shown that his integrity does
not rise above the minimum standard. The simplicity of
his views are his main attraction to many, but reality is
the barricade to his views ever producing workable
solutions -- they would be even more disastrous than the
messes we now face.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
"Verdana","sans-serif";">In addition,
some of his views are so abhorrent and/or crackpotty that
he would not be likely to convince congress to implement
them in the face of public opinion.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
"Verdana","sans-serif";">Having said
that, I am unable to suggest any leader or group of
leaders that seem capable of fixing things. The best I
can hope for is that we elect the lesser of the evils, at
least by a little, to struggle on.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
"Verdana","sans-serif";">I'm glad I'm
old and not likely to live too much longer. I don't not
want to see the result of where the world is heading and
the foolishness of those in power resisting what needs to
be done to change that direction.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";"> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com"
title="mailto:sunilramalingam@hotmail.com
CTRL +
Click to follow link">Sunil Ramalingam</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";">Sent:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";"> Friday,
December 30, 2011 7:54 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";">Cc:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";"> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"
title="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com
CTRL + Click to
follow link">vision 2020</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";">Subject:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Tahoma","sans-serif";"> Re:
[Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul’s Discredited Campaign<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Why doesn't
the NYT address Paul's stances on foreign policy? On defense
spending?<br>
<br>
Sunil<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:38:24 -0800<br>
From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:godshatter@yahoo.com">godshatter@yahoo.com</a><br>
To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:deco@moscow.com">deco@moscow.com</a><br>
CC: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Vision2020@moscow.com">Vision2020@moscow.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul’s Discredited
Campaign<br>
<br>
<br>
I'm beginning to believe that Ron Paul is our only hope to
stop the downslope this country is on. For example, the
Transportation Security Administration just got an extra
$7.85 billion in funding for 2012, including several
hundred million dollars of funding for whole body
imagers. This passed both the House and the Senate. Does
anyone here actually believe that terrorism is a
personally actionable danger? Do you change your behavior
at all due to the threat? Do you think all the security
theater is worth the money?<br>
<br>
Ron Paul is about the only guy out there that votes
against this kind of crap. Pretty much everybody else,
(R) or (D), votes it in. All they seem to argue about is
who is getting the pork.<br>
<br>
As I see it, your choices are 1) the same old shit, but
next year having slipped even farther away from
rationality or 2) this one bat-shit crazy dude that might
actually try to do something about it.<br>
<br>
One thing I've noticed this year is that Ron Paul is
actually getting press. There was a massive grassroots
campaign for him the last couple of elections, but nobody
in the media would take him seriously as an actual
candidate.<br>
<br>
The fact that they have started the smear campaign means
that there is actually a chance of getting him in office.<br>
<br>
My advice? Don't vote for the person that looks like the
most responsible Dad, or the guy that looks like he's
someone you could have a beer with, or the one that looks
like a he's a successful lawyer. All of those guys are
going to perpetuate the power grab that has been going on
for the last few decades.<br>
<br>
Vote for the dude that puts the fear of God into the
others. Vote for the one that will work to decrease their
power, not the others that only want to increase it for
personal gain.<br>
<br>
Sure, he's a bag of mixed nuts sometimes. But he's the
only one with half a chance to shake things up a bit.<br>
<br>
This should be a fun election year.<br>
<br>
Paul<br>
<br>
On 12/28/2011 11:35 AM, Art Deco wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
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<h1><span style="font-family:
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Paul’s Discredited Campaign<o:p></o:p></span></h1>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt;
font-family:
"Verdana","sans-serif";">Ron
Paul long ago disqualified himself for the
presidency by peddling claptrap proposals like
abolishing the Federal Reserve, returning to the
gold standard, cutting a third of the federal budget
and all foreign aid and opposing the Civil Rights
Act of 1964. </span><br>
<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Verdana","sans-serif";">Now,
making things worse, he has failed to convincingly
repudiate racist remarks that were published under
his name for years — or the enthusiastic support he
is getting from racist groups. </span><br>
<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Verdana","sans-serif";">Mr.
Paul, a Republican congressman from Texas who is
doing particularly well in Iowa’s precaucus polls,
published several newsletters in the ’80s and ’90s
with names like the Ron Paul Survival Report and the
Ron Paul Political Report. The newsletters
interspersed libertarian political and investment
commentary with racial bigotry, anti-Semitism and
far-right paranoia. </span><br>
<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Verdana","sans-serif";">Among
other offensive statements, the newsletters said
that <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/12/22/v-print/133898/paul-walks-out-of-interview-over.html"
target="_blank" title="McClatchey report">95
percent of Washington’s black males were criminals</a>,
and they described the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King
Jr.’s birthday as “Hate Whitey Day.” One <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.tnr.com/sites/default/files/January1993.pdf"
target="_blank" title="PDF
of a newsletter">1993
article</a> appeared under a headline lamenting
the country’s “disappearing white majority.” Other
articles suggested that the Mossad, the Israeli
intelligence service, was responsible for the 1993
World Trade Center bombing, praised the Louisiana
racist David Duke and accused some gay men with AIDS
of <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/26/us/politics/ron-paul-disowns-extremists-views-but-doesnt-disavow-the-support.html?ref=politics&pagewanted=all"
target="_blank" title="NYT
report">deliberately
spreading the disease</a>, “perhaps out of a
pathological hatred.” </span><br>
<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Verdana","sans-serif";">A <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://mobile.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE7BM03320111223"
target="_blank" title="Reuters report">direct-mail
ad</a> for the newsletters from around 1993 warned
of a “coming race war in our big cities” and said
there was a “federal-homosexual cover-up” to
suppress the impact of AIDS. </span><br>
<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Verdana","sans-serif";">Mr.
Paul, who, beginning in 2008, has disavowed the
articles and their ideas, now says that most of them
were written by others and that he was unaware of
their content. Even if that were the case, it
suggests a stupendous level of negligence that
should force a reconsideration by anyone considering
entrusting him with the White House. </span><br>
<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Verdana","sans-serif";">When
the newsletters first became an issue during his
Congressional campaigns in the 1990s, however, <a
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report">he did not
deny writing some of them</a> or knowing about
them. </span><br>
<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Verdana","sans-serif";">Mr.
Paul has never given a full and detailed accounting
of who wrote the newsletters and what his role was
in overseeing their publication. It’s especially
important that he do so immediately. Those writings
have certainly not been forgotten by white
supremacist and militia groups that are promoting
his candidacy in Iowa and in New Hampshire. </span><br>
<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Verdana","sans-serif";">The
Times <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/26/us/politics/ron-paul-disowns-extremists-views-but-doesnt-disavow-the-support.html"
target="_blank" title="NYT report">reported on
Sunday</a> that dozens of members of the white
nationalist Web site Stormfront are volunteering for
the Paul campaign, along with far-right militias,
survivalists and anti-Zionist groups. Don Black, the
Stormfront director, said his members were drawn to
Mr. Paul by the newsletters and his positions
against immigration and the Fed (run by Jews, Mr.
Black said), even if Mr. Paul were not himself a
white nationalist. </span><br>
<span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family:
"Verdana","sans-serif";">Mr.
Paul, saying he still hopes to “convert” these
supporters to his views, has refused to disavow them
or to chase them out of his campaign. If he does not
do so, he will leave a lasting stain on his
candidacy, on the libertarian movement and, very
possibly, on the Iowa caucuses. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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