[Vision2020] Fw: Mr. Paul’s Discredited Campaign

Fri Dec 30 09:38:42 PST 2011

The thing to keep in mind with Ron Paul is that he wants to eliminate a 
lot of Federal offices that aren't mandated by the Constitution and move 
those responsibilities to the States, assuming individual States want to 
do something about their loss.

I haven't read his views on student debt in particular, but I'm pretty 
sure he doesn't think it's the Federal government's job to give loans to 
students.  He wants to reduce what the Federal government does down to 
what is strictly in the Constitution.  In his view, from what I've seen, 
each State should have more individual power, and the Federal government 
should be there only for interstate issues, and defense.

He's the only candidate I've seen that wants to reduce the power of the 
Federal government.  I see the idea of "small government" paraded around 
in debates and in the news, but we've all seen how well each party does 
reducing the size of the government.  Ron Paul has clout because he 
consistently votes against the bills that give more power to Federal 
agencies.

Paul

On 12/29/2011 10:57 PM, Joe Campbell wrote:
> How many governmental departments does he want to eliminate? EPA, 
> Education, and what else? I heard him complain about higher ed since 
> students are billion dollars in debt. What I didn't hear was a better 
> education plan.
>
> Plus if the government is to blame for student debt, are car, 
> electronic, etc. companies responsible for non-education debt? Are 
> banks responsible for that debt?
>
> Higher Ed is relatively cheap and it is not going to get any cheaper 
> precisely because folks are willing to pay for it, even if it means 
> incurring debt. Once you get government control out of the picture, 
> the situation will only get worse.
>
>
>
> On Dec 29, 2011, at 8:38 PM, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com 
> <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm beginning to believe that Ron Paul is our only hope to stop the 
>> downslope this country is on.  For example, the Transportation 
>> Security Administration just got an extra $7.85 billion in funding 
>> for 2012, including several hundred million dollars of funding for 
>> whole body imagers.  This passed both the House and the Senate.  Does 
>> anyone here actually believe that terrorism is a personally 
>> actionable danger?  Do you change your behavior at all due to the 
>> threat?  Do you think all the security theater is worth the money?
>>
>> Ron Paul is about the only guy out there that votes against this kind 
>> of crap.  Pretty much everybody else, (R) or (D), votes it in.  All 
>> they seem to argue about is who is getting the pork.
>>
>> As I see it, your choices are 1) the same old shit, but next year 
>> having slipped even farther away from rationality or 2) this one 
>> bat-shit crazy dude that might actually try to do something about it.
>>
>> One thing I've noticed this year is that Ron Paul is actually getting 
>> press.  There was a massive grassroots campaign for him the last 
>> couple of elections, but nobody in the media would take him seriously 
>> as an actual candidate.
>>
>> The fact that they have started the smear campaign means that there 
>> is actually a chance of getting him in office.
>>
>> My advice?  Don't vote for the person that looks like the most 
>> responsible Dad, or the guy that looks like he's someone you could 
>> have a beer with, or the one that looks like a he's a successful 
>> lawyer.  All of those guys are going to perpetuate the power grab 
>> that has been going on for the last few decades.
>>
>> Vote for the dude that puts the fear of God into the others.  Vote 
>> for the one that will work to decrease their power, not the others 
>> that only want to increase it for personal gain.
>>
>> Sure, he's a bag of mixed nuts sometimes.  But he's the only one with 
>> half a chance to shake things up a bit.
>>
>> This should be a fun election year.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> On 12/28/2011 11:35 AM, Art Deco wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> # <mime-attachment.gif> <http://www.nytimes.com/>
>>>
>>> Reprints 
>>> <http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/28/opinion/mr-pauls-discredited-campaign.html?_r=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=tha211&pagewanted=print#> 
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> December 27, 2011
>>>
>>>
>>>   Mr. Paul’s Discredited Campaign
>>>
>>> Ron Paul long ago disqualified himself for the presidency by 
>>> peddling claptrap proposals like abolishing the Federal Reserve, 
>>> returning to the gold standard, cutting a third of the federal 
>>> budget and all foreign aid and opposing the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
>>>
>>> Now, making things worse, he has failed to convincingly repudiate 
>>> racist remarks that were published under his name for years — or the 
>>> enthusiastic support he is getting from racist groups.
>>>
>>> Mr. Paul, a Republican congressman from Texas who is doing 
>>> particularly well in Iowa’s precaucus polls, published several 
>>> newsletters in the ’80s and ’90s with names like the Ron Paul 
>>> Survival Report and the Ron Paul Political Report. The newsletters 
>>> interspersed libertarian political and investment commentary with 
>>> racial bigotry, anti-Semitism and far-right paranoia.
>>>
>>> Among other offensive statements, the newsletters said that 95 
>>> percent of Washington’s black males were criminals 
>>> <http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/12/22/v-print/133898/paul-walks-out-of-interview-over.html>, 
>>> and they described the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.’s birthday as 
>>> “Hate Whitey Day.” One 1993 article 
>>> <http://www.tnr.com/sites/default/files/January1993.pdf> appeared 
>>> under a headline lamenting the country’s “disappearing white 
>>> majority.” Other articles suggested that the Mossad, the Israeli 
>>> intelligence service, was responsible for the 1993 World Trade 
>>> Center bombing, praised the Louisiana racist David Duke and accused 
>>> some gay men with AIDS of deliberately spreading the disease 
>>> <http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/26/us/politics/ron-paul-disowns-extremists-views-but-doesnt-disavow-the-support.html?ref=politics&pagewanted=all>, 
>>> “perhaps out of a pathological hatred.”
>>>
>>> A direct-mail ad 
>>> <http://mobile.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE7BM03320111223> 
>>> for the newsletters from around 1993 warned of a “coming race war in 
>>> our big cities” and said there was a “federal-homosexual cover-up” 
>>> to suppress the impact of AIDS.
>>>
>>> Mr. Paul, who, beginning in 2008, has disavowed the articles and 
>>> their ideas, now says that most of them were written by others and 
>>> that he was unaware of their content. Even if that were the case, it 
>>> suggests a stupendous level of negligence that should force a 
>>> reconsideration by anyone considering entrusting him with the White 
>>> House.
>>>
>>> When the newsletters first became an issue during his Congressional 
>>> campaigns in the 1990s, however, he did not deny writing some of 
>>> them 
>>> <http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2011/12/26/fifteen_years_ago_ron_paul_wasn_t_claiming_somebody_else_wrote_his_newsletters.html> 
>>> or knowing about them.
>>>
>>> Mr. Paul has never given a full and detailed accounting of who wrote 
>>> the newsletters and what his role was in overseeing their 
>>> publication. It’s especially important that he do so immediately. 
>>> Those writings have certainly not been forgotten by white 
>>> supremacist and militia groups that are promoting his candidacy in 
>>> Iowa and in New Hampshire.
>>>
>>> The Times reported on Sunday 
>>> <http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/26/us/politics/ron-paul-disowns-extremists-views-but-doesnt-disavow-the-support.html> 
>>> that dozens of members of the white nationalist Web site Stormfront 
>>> are volunteering for the Paul campaign, along with far-right 
>>> militias, survivalists and anti-Zionist groups. Don Black, the 
>>> Stormfront director, said his members were drawn to Mr. Paul by the 
>>> newsletters and his positions against immigration and the Fed (run 
>>> by Jews, Mr. Black said), even if Mr. Paul were not himself a white 
>>> nationalist.
>>>
>>> Mr. Paul, saying he still hopes to “convert” these supporters to his 
>>> views, has refused to disavow them or to chase them out of his 
>>> campaign. If he does not do so, he will leave a lasting stain on his 
>>> candidacy, on the libertarian movement and, very possibly, on the 
>>> Iowa caucuses.
>>>
>>> _____________________________________
>>> Wayne A. Fox
>>> wayne.a.fox at gmail.com <mailto:wayne.a.fox at gmail.com>
>>>
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