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The thing to keep in mind with Ron Paul is that he wants to
eliminate a lot of Federal offices that aren't mandated by the
Constitution and move those responsibilities to the States, assuming
individual States want to do something about their loss. <br>
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I haven't read his views on student debt in particular, but I'm
pretty sure he doesn't think it's the Federal government's job to
give loans to students. He wants to reduce what the Federal
government does down to what is strictly in the Constitution. In
his view, from what I've seen, each State should have more
individual power, and the Federal government should be there only
for interstate issues, and defense.<br>
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He's the only candidate I've seen that wants to reduce the power of
the Federal government. I see the idea of "small government"
paraded around in debates and in the news, but we've all seen how
well each party does reducing the size of the government. Ron Paul
has clout because he consistently votes against the bills that give
more power to Federal agencies.<br>
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Paul<br>
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On 12/29/2011 10:57 PM, Joe Campbell wrote:
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<div>How many governmental departments does he want to eliminate?
EPA, Education, and what else? I heard him complain about higher
ed since students are billion dollars in debt. What I didn't
hear was a better education plan. </div>
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<div>Plus if the government is to blame for student debt, are car,
electronic, etc. companies responsible for non-education debt?
Are banks responsible for that debt? </div>
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<div>Higher Ed is relatively cheap and it is not going to get any
cheaper precisely because folks are willing to pay for it, even
if it means incurring debt. Once you get government control out
of the picture, the situation will only get worse.</div>
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On Dec 29, 2011, at 8:38 PM, Paul Rumelhart <<a
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I'm beginning to believe that Ron Paul is our only hope to
stop the downslope this country is on. For example, the
Transportation Security Administration just got an extra $7.85
billion in funding for 2012, including several hundred million
dollars of funding for whole body imagers. This passed both
the House and the Senate. Does anyone here actually believe
that terrorism is a personally actionable danger? Do you
change your behavior at all due to the threat? Do you think
all the security theater is worth the money?<br>
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Ron Paul is about the only guy out there that votes against
this kind of crap. Pretty much everybody else, (R) or (D),
votes it in. All they seem to argue about is who is getting
the pork.<br>
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As I see it, your choices are 1) the same old shit, but next
year having slipped even farther away from rationality or 2)
this one bat-shit crazy dude that might actually try to do
something about it.<br>
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One thing I've noticed this year is that Ron Paul is actually
getting press. There was a massive grassroots campaign for
him the last couple of elections, but nobody in the media
would take him seriously as an actual candidate.<br>
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The fact that they have started the smear campaign means that
there is actually a chance of getting him in office.<br>
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My advice? Don't vote for the person that looks like the most
responsible Dad, or the guy that looks like he's someone you
could have a beer with, or the one that looks like a he's a
successful lawyer. All of those guys are going to perpetuate
the power grab that has been going on for the last few
decades.<br>
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Vote for the dude that puts the fear of God into the others.
Vote for the one that will work to decrease their power, not
the others that only want to increase it for personal gain.<br>
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Sure, he's a bag of mixed nuts sometimes. But he's the only
one with half a chance to shake things up a bit.<br>
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This should be a fun election year.<br>
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Paul<br>
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On 12/28/2011 11:35 AM, Art Deco wrote:
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<h1><nyt_headline version="1.0" type=" ">Mr. Paul’s
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<p><font face="Verdana" size="2">Ron Paul long ago
disqualified himself for the presidency by peddling
claptrap proposals like abolishing the Federal
Reserve, returning to the gold standard, cutting a
third of the federal budget and all foreign aid and
opposing the Civil Rights Act of 1964. </font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana" size="2">Now, making things
worse, he has failed to convincingly repudiate
racist remarks that were published under his name
for years — or the enthusiastic support he is
getting from racist groups. </font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana" size="2">Mr. Paul, a Republican
congressman from Texas who is doing particularly
well in Iowa’s precaucus polls, published several
newsletters in the ’80s and ’90s with names like the
Ron Paul Survival Report and the Ron Paul Political
Report. The newsletters interspersed libertarian
political and investment commentary with racial
bigotry, anti-Semitism and far-right paranoia. </font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana" size="2">Among other offensive
statements, the newsletters said that <a
moz-do-not-send="true" title="McClatchey report"
href="http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/12/22/v-print/133898/paul-walks-out-of-interview-over.html">95
percent of Washington’s black males were criminals</a>,
and they described the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King
Jr.’s birthday as “Hate Whitey Day.” One <a
moz-do-not-send="true" title="PDF of a newsletter"
href="http://www.tnr.com/sites/default/files/January1993.pdf">1993
article</a> appeared under a headline lamenting
the country’s “disappearing white majority.” Other
articles suggested that the Mossad, the Israeli
intelligence service, was responsible for the 1993
World Trade Center bombing, praised the Louisiana
racist David Duke and accused some gay men with AIDS
of <a moz-do-not-send="true" title="NYT report"
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/26/us/politics/ron-paul-disowns-extremists-views-but-doesnt-disavow-the-support.html?ref=politics&pagewanted=all">deliberately
spreading the disease</a>, “perhaps out of a
pathological hatred.” </font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana" size="2">A <a
moz-do-not-send="true" title="Reuters report"
href="http://mobile.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSTRE7BM03320111223">direct-mail
ad</a> for the newsletters from around 1993 warned
of a “coming race war in our big cities” and said
there was a “federal-homosexual cover-up” to
suppress the impact of AIDS. </font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana" size="2">Mr. Paul, who,
beginning in 2008, has disavowed the articles and
their ideas, now says that most of them were written
by others and that he was unaware of their content.
Even if that were the case, it suggests a stupendous
level of negligence that should force a
reconsideration by anyone considering entrusting him
with the White House. </font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana" size="2">When the newsletters
first became an issue during his Congressional
campaigns in the 1990s, however, <a
moz-do-not-send="true" title="Slate report"
href="http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2011/12/26/fifteen_years_ago_ron_paul_wasn_t_claiming_somebody_else_wrote_his_newsletters.html">he
did not deny writing some of them</a> or knowing
about them. </font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana" size="2">Mr. Paul has never
given a full and detailed accounting of who wrote
the newsletters and what his role was in overseeing
their publication. It’s especially important that he
do so immediately. Those writings have certainly not
been forgotten by white supremacist and militia
groups that are promoting his candidacy in Iowa and
in New Hampshire. </font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana" size="2">The Times <a
moz-do-not-send="true" title="NYT report"
href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/26/us/politics/ron-paul-disowns-extremists-views-but-doesnt-disavow-the-support.html">reported
on Sunday</a> that dozens of members of the white
nationalist Web site Stormfront are volunteering for
the Paul campaign, along with far-right militias,
survivalists and anti-Zionist groups. Don Black, the
Stormfront director, said his members were drawn to
Mr. Paul by the newsletters and his positions
against immigration and the Fed (run by Jews, Mr.
Black said), even if Mr. Paul were not himself a
white nationalist. </font></p>
<p><font face="Verdana" size="2">Mr. Paul, saying he
still hopes to “convert” these supporters to his
views, has refused to disavow them or to chase them
out of his campaign. If he does not do so, he will
leave a lasting stain on his candidacy, on the
libertarian movement and, very possibly, on the Iowa
caucuses. </font></p>
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