[Vision2020] No Guts, Misquotes, & Mark Driscoll

Wed Aug 24 15:55:01 PDT 2011

I got no response to the corrections I made July 15, 2011, regarding serious
errors and misunderstandings on climate science, as can be read in the
following Vision2020 post at website below.  I thus find this particular
drawer, at this time, empty.

http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2011-July/077266.html
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Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 8:59 PM, Dan Carscallen <areaman at moscow.com> wrote:

>  I actually find Paul's posts to the vizzz quite engaging and thought
> provoking, and it seems to me, whether I agree with him or not, he's got
> several drawers in his world, at least up to somewhere around J or K
>
> Your pal,
>
> DC
>
> On Aug 23, 2011, at 19:02, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>
>   Your world must be very boring, Mr. Rumelhart . . . stereo-typing
> everybody into two limited sets of parameters, either drawer A or drawer B.
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to change and
> the Realist adjusts his sails."
>
> - Unknown
>
>
> On Aug 23, 2011, at 18:49, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> While I'm on the subject of Opposite Land, it's usually the right-wing
> fundamentalists that are trying to push for harsher punishments and it's
> usually the more liberal community saying "hey, hold on there!  He's got
> rights, too, ya know!"
>
> Oh, well.  Maybe if I get all fired up about staying here in Opposite Land
> I'll suddenly end up back home.  Worth a try, anyway.
>
> Paul
>
> On 08/23/2011 12:49 PM, Tom Hansen wrote:
>
> Remind us again, Mr. Rumelhart -
>
> How does Doug Wilson go about defending . . .
>
>  <http://www.tomandrodna.com/CR_2005_02027>
> http://www.tomandrodna.com/CR_2005_02027
>
> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to change and
> the Realist adjusts his sails."
>
> - Unknown
>
>
> On Aug 23, 2011, at 12:19, "Art Deco" < <deco at moscow.com>deco at moscow.com>
> wrote:
>
>  It has been the so-called liberals on this site who have raised the
> loudest cry against child sexual abuse, spousal sexual abuse, and similar
> criminal abuses.  That such liberals are against such abhorrent practices
> doesn't mean that they are against freedom of sexual expression between
> consenting adults.
>
> On the other hand, the conservatives, here and elsewhere, have been mostly
> mute on these child abuse subjects.
>
> In fact, Paul, you were one of the conservatives defending allowing
> admitted serial pedophiles such as Steven Sitler the absolute right to marry
> and to make children. The conservatives, for example, are more interested in
> railing against gays and gay marriage or at least questioning the value of
> allowing such marriages than taking a vigorous stand against child sexual
> molestation and exploitation.
>
> The ultimate hypocrite, Douglas Wilson, has, in his now diminishing
> pseudo-ministry, been a screeching railer against pornography.  But all of a
> sudden faced with declining cult membership, interest in himself and
> crackpot quasi-theology, and most importantly to him, declining revenue, has
> resorted to the always successful formula "Sex Sells."  In doing so Wilson
> hypocritically endorses and promulgates the notion that Mark Driscoll's Blue
> Movies from Jesus visions are of important spiritual and doctrinal value to
> his Reformed community despite the fact that the possibility of any visions
> from Christ are in complete conflict with Wilson's avowed cessationist
> theological dogma.
>
> Perhaps, you didn't understand what I wrote before:
>
>  Almost everyone has sexual fantasies of various kinds and intensities.
> Mark Driscoll is entitled to his.  But for him to claim they are visions
> from God is delusional, and to broadcast and to celebrate them as such is
> beyond outré.  And when crackpots/con artists like Wilson who intentionally
> and for profit promulgate such delusions and celebrations, especially when
> contrary to their alleged theological beliefs in the name of their alleged
> God, one can easily see why Rose proclaims: "Worse than anything I could
> imagine."
>
> Here is where I disagree with Rose's  "Worse than anything I could
> imagine."  From my point of view and state of knowledge, my opinion is there
> is nothing that I could imagine that Wilson would not do to further, to
> defend, or to protect himself, his sources of revenue, his unquenchable
> desire for attention and admiration, his desire for power and control, his
> will to establish a theocracy, etc.
>
> Paul, you write:
>
> "I must have crossed over into Opposite Land last night when I went to
> sleep."
>
> Not such much.  Just another of your cheap rhetorical tricks of twisting
> what has been said to set up a bale of straw to attack.  But I agree in a
> way with the quote, except that "last night" should read "many years ago"
> and "Opposite Land" should read "Just to Be Contrary Land."
>
>
> w.
>
>
>  *From:* Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2011 9:47 AM
> *To:* Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> ; Moscow Vision 2020<Vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] No Guts, Misquotes, & Mark Driscoll
>
>  Odd.
>
> Traditionally, it's the liberal community's job to defend all things sexual
> in nature from the ire of offended puritanical right-wing fundamentalists.
>
> I must have crossed over into Opposite Land last night when I went to
> sleep.  How do you get back?  Find the portal and travel away from it?
> Don't look for it at all and fall into it by mistake?
>
> I hope I figure it out soon.  On the plus side, Facebook is a lot more
> private here and Microsoft is working hard to get Windows on 10% of user's
> desktops.
>
> Paul
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* Art Deco < <deco at moscow.com>deco at moscow.com>
> *To:* Moscow Vision 2020 < <Vision2020 at moscow.com>Vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2011 9:14 AM
> *Subject:* [Vision2020] No Guts, Misquotes, & Mark Driscoll
>
>  With all the buzz about the Christ Church Cult's scheduling of sexually
> obsessed so-called pastor Mark Driscoll who receives pornographic visions
> from Jesus, a couple of interest comments have passed almost unnoticed.
>
> Vera White commented briefly about the latest
> Wilson-steps-on-his-dick-again snafu in last week's *Ink. ** *[See
> complete *Ink* comment below].
>
>
> One paragraph is of special interest:
>
>  The INKster tried for two days to reach Wilson for comment, but was told
> he was busy with back-to-back meetings. She did however talk to Assistant
> Pastor Mike Lawyer Friday who explained the conference might attract "people
> from all over the world" and the agenda would include a Minister's
> Conference for men titled "The Puritan Five," and for females a session
> called "Dangerous Women."
>
> First, Wilson, whose invitation to Driscoll and inept, illogical defense of
> that invitation has been widely criticized and lampooned in the Reformed
> Community of which Wilson is the alleged leader(at least for now), hasn't
> got the courage to discuss it very far outside his own cloistered circle.
>
> Second, a friend who is not on V2020 but reads the *Ink* asked me if it
> was possible that Mike Lawyer possibly misspoke or was misquoted in the
> above paragraph.  She wonders instead of "people from all over the world",
> what was really should have appeared was "perverts from all over the
> world."
>
>
> w.
> ____________________________
>
> Vera White, *The Ink, Moscow-Pullman Daily News*
>
> ....
>  The INKster had never heard of Pastor Mark Driscoll of Mars Hill Church
> in Seattle until the outraged postings started appearing on Vision2020 th
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