[Vision2020] Joe and Arrogance

[Joe Campbell]

> Looks like I really got under your skin.

Nope!

> The point is I think that you use the term "idiot" too liberally. I am not a Gingrich fan, but I would wager that his IQ is higher than yours.

You must be joking! "Idiot" is my affectionate term for people who say stupid things. I use other terms when trying to insult people for real.

> Who is the idiot? You do not know Gresham. He is not a bigot. He worked closely with Ike Young, a mormon.

Sorry. I guess Young is the real idiot.

> His pastor, not him made the comments you dislike. When It comes to religion, I do not criticize anyone's belief.  

You are an idiot. That is my religion, so stop criticizing me!

> There are dogma in almost all religions  that I would disagree with and some that I support. I look at the individual not their religion.

Except Muslims and Mormons, who you don't seem to mind being offended.

> Everyone is entitled to there religious beliefs as long as they do not interfere with the rights of others. A lot of people think Mormons are blasphemous and are not Christians because of there belief (as I understand it) that anyone can become a god.

But it's not offensive? It doesn't conflict with the right to free EXERCISE of religion? 

Is the point that, if you say something that is a "religious" belief, you can say whatever stupid thing you wish, offend as many other religions and minorities you want? 

Do you think that religion is some kind of "get out of civil decency" card?

Well then I'm Pastor of the Church of Roger is an Idiot! How does that work for you?

I'm sorry but this is a bad view, Roger. Someone who believes this view has no basis for criticizing anyone for saying anything.

> I think that they are Christians because they believe in Jesus and thier church is set up on the basis of Christ's 12 apostles. Most Mormons that I know are great people and I admire their strong family
> values.

Ask your Mormon friends if they think Bouma is a bigot. Ask them if his religious "freedom" extends to the limitation of their free exercise.

> I did not call you a communist. You read that into my comments. As to who resorts to name calling, look in the mirror.

That's right. I think you used the term "socialist." Imagine my embarrassment!

> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: Joe Campbell philosopher.joe at gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 14:54:32 -0700
> To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Joe and Arrogance
> 
>> Sorry -- last clarification.
>> 
>> I didn't call ALL Republicans -- whom I disagree with -- "idiots." In fact,
>> I explicitly said that I don't think all Republicans are idiots and
>> mentioned a few by name that I didn't think were idiots.
>> 
>> I asked why Republicans VOTE for idiots. The idiots are folks like Bush,
>> Palin, and Gingrich. I called Gingrich an "idiot" because of his bigoted
>> comments -- comments which you conveniently didn't include in this criticism
>> -- not because he was a Republican. I asked a question: Why do so many
>> Republicans vote for idiots -- folks who are either dumb as posts or obvious
>> and clear bigots?
>> 
>> I'm asking you, too, Roger. Why did you openly support Gresham Bouma in the
>> last election, someone who is openly antagonistic toward Mormons? Why
>> support Young, someone who was openly antagonistic toward folks on the left?
>> Do you think it is OK to call Mormons "blasphemous"? Do you think that that
>> kind of behavior is indicative of what our founding fathers meant by the
>> right to the free exercise of religion? Do you think leaders should only
>> cater to members of your own political party? That they can ignore the folks
>> that they don't vote for them?
>> 
>> But the fact is that you won't answer these questions. What you'll do is
>> call me a "communist" and try to divert attention from the growing racism of
>> your political party. And what I'll continue to do is point out the racism,
>> even if it means putting up with your mean-spirited name calling.
>> 
>> On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 11:52 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> It is amazing to me that some people on the left like joe, call everyone
>>> they disagree with idiots. I think it was Stalin that called the American
>>> left useful idiots. A friend of my aunt's on finding out I was a friend of
>>> Steve Symms said, "He can't be very bright can he". Some on the right think
>>> the same way. I do not know why people cannot disagree on the issues with
>>> out disparaging one another's intelligence.
>>> Roger
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