[Vision2020] FW: Crabtree and the NRA

[Rosemary]

I sent this accidently to Darrell - I meant to send it to Gary and v2020.

Rose

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From: Rosemary [it to go  lto:donaldrose at cpcinternet.com] 
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 4:31 PM 
To: 'Darrell Keim'
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Crabtree and the NRA

 

Gary, 

You know me, if I thought you were being loutish, I would say so in plain,
unequivocal English.  I apologize if you understood me to be including you
in the lout category.  Mostly, I was thinking about the folks who carry
their little pocket constitutions on their person, argue about what serving
on a jury means, don't pay taxes, and pretend that  it is 1630 and they live
in  Massachusetts colony R

From: keim152 at gmail.com [mailto:keim152 at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Darrell Keim
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 2:20 PM
To: Gary Crabtree
Cc: Rosemary; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Crabtree and the NRA

 

Because, Gary, if you were smart you would be a progressive. ;>)

On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Gary Crabtree <jampot at roadrunner.com>
wrote:

"... louts who would be unable to discuss (intelligently) any other
constitutional issue rings more than a little hollow to me.  Of course, I'm
suspicious of any civilian group that wraps the flag around their agenda."

 

Why is it that when it comes to disagreement, the first order of business
for a progressive is to start off with a variation on the standard insult
(you're stupid) followed by a charge of insincerity? I would think that
using a different tactic at least once in a while would be helpful if for no
other reason that to break up the monotony.

 

g

 

From: Rosemary <mailto:donaldrose at cpcinternet.com>  

Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 8:41 AM

To: 'ringoshirl' <mailto:ringoshirl at moscow.com>  ; vision2020 at moscow.com 

Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Crabtree and the NRA

 

Thank you Shirley for a thoughtful response to Gary's question.  Many of my
family members enjoy hunting and own guns.   From my perspective, however,
an "F" rating from the NRA is a badge of honor.  Ranting about 2nd amendment
rights by louts who would be unable to discuss (intelligently) any other
constitutional issue rings more than a little hollow to me.  Of course, I'm
suspicious of any civilian group that wraps the flag around their agenda.

Rosemary

 

 

From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
On Behalf Of ringoshirl
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 8:23 AM
To: vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: [Vision2020] Crabtree and the NRA

 

Visionaries:

 

Gary Crabtree has requested a discussion from me concerning my low rating
from the National Rifle Association.  It's interesting to me that Mr.
Crabtree did not attend any of the forums, nor take the time to submit a
question during the KRFP interview.  I am also uncomfortable with his
vitriolic comments towards people with whom he disagrees politically.  After
asking me to respond, he brands my answer "rhetoric" in advance.

However, he has raised an issue about which some of you may be curious, so I
will give a candid response.  

I have many friends who are sportsmen, belong to the NRA, and enjoy their
publications.  I think the organization provides a service that people
appreciate.  I also think that, at times, their political action wing has
been over the top.  

This is a powerful lobbying group in the Idaho Legislature.  Many
legislators just produce the votes the NRA requests because of its powerful
influence.  During my service in the Legislature, I have not always voted
according to their wishes.  I have listened to constituents who have
contacted me.  I have contacted attorneys to determine whether the
legislation was deemed necessary by them.  After weighing all information, I
vote according to what seems most responsible, and I never take this
lightly.

Gun safety is very important to me.  In the most recent session, the
majority passed legislation stipulating that firearms manufactured
exclusively in Idaho would be exempt from federal regulations.  I think that
is dangerous and irresponsible.  Our Attorney General said it was likely
unconstitutional.  My vote was one of the few against that legislation.

During my five terms in the legislature, I have not introduced legislation
that would threaten anybody's second amendment rights.  I have none planned.
Nobody enjoys a low rating from a political action group, and we should
always listen to all sides of an issue before voting.  But our legislative
decision-making should not be driven by a desire for high ratings. 

Shirley Ringo

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