[Vision2020] Postcardgate
Dan Carscallen
areaman at moscow.com
Fri Oct 22 18:11:33 PDT 2010
Tom asks:
"When does retirement slow the HELL down?"
When you wake up on the other side of the dirt, Tom.
I asked a former boss of mine who had retired what he was doing one day.
"Nothing," he answered, "but I got a late start so I'm not sure I'm gonna finish!"
DC
On Oct 22, 2010, at 18:00, "Tom Hansen" <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
> I videotaped the NSA Candidates' Forum, ALL 93 minutes and 17 seconds of it.
>
> I was going to hop right on it when I got home, but then I decided to wait
> until I finished videotaping UI homecoming stuff tomorrow.
>
> Question: When does retirement slow the HELL down?
>
> Stay tuned, V-peeps.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
> UI '96
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, October 22, 2010 3:03 pm, Reggie Holmquist wrote:
>> I'm here. You here, too, Mr. Hansen?
>>
>> Anybody got any good Qs they'd like me to ask Bouma, now is the time
>> to let me know.
>>
>> On Friday, October 22, 2010, Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> As usual you are wrong, as a tiny bit of Googling
>>> would have shown.
>>>
>>> Not only do I vote for and endorse, but I financially support
>>> a local candidate with strong religious beliefs.
>>>
>>> The difference between that candidate and Bouma is that as far
>>> as I can tell, the candidate at issue bases their political positions on
>>> carefully considered terrestrial information. To the extent
>>> that their religious values agree with my secular values, these values
>>> for this candidate are based on terrestrial considerations as well as
>>> his religious convictions. This candidate is also tolerant of religious
>>> views that conflict their own and able to appreciate the strengths found
>>> in
>>> other religious views. The candidate is not a "one way" bigot as is
>>> Bouma.
>>>
>>> I am a believer in rigid separation of church and state.
>>> Bouma seeks to greatly dismantle that barrier.
>>>
>>> During the primary, it became obvious to me that Bouma and his
>>> associates not only wish to dismantle the church-state barrier, but, in
>>> fact, have violated the tax laws by their advocacy at the pulpit of
>>> their
>>> political views. Also, by lying to a local pastor, they flummoxed him
>>> into
>>> providing a prayer room during the primary election day which prayed
>>> only for
>>> Bouma and candidates with similar religious views -- another violation
>>> of
>>> tax exemption laws. That is why I have concentrated on
>>> Bouma.
>>>
>>> Please do not misunderstand. Bouma and his associates
>>> are free to advocate anything they want from the pulpit subject to the
>>> usual
>>> free expression exclusions. However, if they choose to do that, then,
>>> by
>>> law, they must pay taxes for that privilege like most of the rest of
>>> do.
>>>
>>> W.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From:
>>> the
>>> lockshop <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com>
>>> To: Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> ; Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 8:15
>>> AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
>>> Postcardgate
>>>
>>>
>>> Suprisingly, you seem to have missed the point of
>>> my post. You state repeatedly how important it is to you
>>> to know "every candidates" religious positons and how
>>> they would affect their political positions and yet the questions are
>>> only put
>>> to a very select few. (one actually) Forgive me but I suspect that
>>> having
>>> religious convictions of any type is a major disqualifier for you and
>>> that the answers to any questions you may pose are simply additional
>>> opportunities to poor mouth a believing community member who might
>>> have the
>>> questionable judgement, in your view, to want to run for elected
>>> office.
>>>
>>> g
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From:
>>> Art Deco
>>> To: Vision 2020
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:52
>>> PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
>>> Postcardgate
>>>
>>>
>>> For one reason, as far as I know, Schmidt does not attend
>>> and occasionally preach in a church which mixes religion and
>>> politics
>>> as Bouma does (as you can see from the quotes below). Another
>>> reason:
>>> Bouma has been asked in a public forum about his religious beliefs
>>> and their
>>> relations to his political beliefs -- he refused to answer claiming
>>> the
>>> question out of bounds.
>>>
>>> Every candidate ought tell us what their political
>>> positions are and why they hold those positions including their
>>> religious
>>> reasons, if any. So far as I know no one has asked Schmidt these
>>> questions. Perhaps someone should; perhaps you.
>>>
>>> In a previous post, I opined that it is not only
>>> important for a candidate to state his positions, but why she/he
>>> believes
>>> them. It is important to understand how a candidate arrives at his
>>> conclusions in order to judge in part his desirability and/or
>>> fitness for
>>> office.
>>> http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2010-October/072051.html
>>>
>>> W.
>>>
>>> If the quotes below do not show you about mixing religion
>>> and politics in a way prohibited by law for non-profit religious
>>> organizations, acts of which Bouma is at least an accessory to, then
>>> go to
>>> www.freezechurch.org and do a
>>> Google site search using the single word "Obama"
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From:
>>> Gary
>>> Crabtree
>>> To: Art Deco ; Vision
>>> 2020
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:22
>>> PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
>>> Postcardgate
>>>
>>>
>>> "What are Bouma's religious beliefs, how do
>>> they affect his political opinions, how do they affect his
>>> attitude toward
>>> certain classes of voters (gays and Mormons, e.g.), and why does
>>> he not
>>> have the honesty and courage to reveal and to discuss how his
>>> religious
>>> beliefs determine and affect his political positi
>>>
>>>
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