[Vision2020] Postcardgate
Tom Hansen
thansen at moscow.com
Fri Oct 22 18:00:08 PDT 2010
I videotaped the NSA Candidates' Forum, ALL 93 minutes and 17 seconds of it.
I was going to hop right on it when I got home, but then I decided to wait
until I finished videotaping UI homecoming stuff tomorrow.
Question: When does retirement slow the HELL down?
Stay tuned, V-peeps.
Tom Hansen
Moscow, Idaho
UI '96
On Fri, October 22, 2010 3:03 pm, Reggie Holmquist wrote:
> I'm here. You here, too, Mr. Hansen?
>
> Anybody got any good Qs they'd like me to ask Bouma, now is the time
> to let me know.
>
> On Friday, October 22, 2010, Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> wrote:
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>> As usual you are wrong, as a tiny bit of Googling
>> would have shown.
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>> Not only do I vote for and endorse, but I financially support
>> a local candidate with strong religious beliefs.
>>
>> The difference between that candidate and Bouma is that as far
>> as I can tell, the candidate at issue bases their political positions on
>> carefully considered terrestrial information. To the extent
>> that their religious values agree with my secular values, these values
>> for this candidate are based on terrestrial considerations as well as
>> his religious convictions. This candidate is also tolerant of religious
>> views that conflict their own and able to appreciate the strengths found
>> in
>> other religious views. The candidate is not a "one way" bigot as is
>> Bouma.
>>
>> I am a believer in rigid separation of church and state.
>> Bouma seeks to greatly dismantle that barrier.
>>
>> During the primary, it became obvious to me that Bouma and his
>> associates not only wish to dismantle the church-state barrier, but, in
>> fact, have violated the tax laws by their advocacy at the pulpit of
>> their
>> political views. Also, by lying to a local pastor, they flummoxed him
>> into
>> providing a prayer room during the primary election day which prayed
>> only for
>> Bouma and candidates with similar religious views -- another violation
>> of
>> tax exemption laws. That is why I have concentrated on
>> Bouma.
>>
>> Please do not misunderstand. Bouma and his associates
>> are free to advocate anything they want from the pulpit subject to the
>> usual
>> free expression exclusions. However, if they choose to do that, then,
>> by
>> law, they must pay taxes for that privilege like most of the rest of
>> do.
>>
>> W.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From:
>> the
>> lockshop <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com>
>> To: Art Deco <deco at moscow.com> ; Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com>
>> Sent: Friday, October 22, 2010 8:15
>> AM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
>> Postcardgate
>>
>>
>> Suprisingly, you seem to have missed the point of
>> my post. You state repeatedly how important it is to you
>> to know "every candidates" religious positons and how
>> they would affect their political positions and yet the questions are
>> only put
>> to a very select few. (one actually) Forgive me but I suspect that
>> having
>> religious convictions of any type is a major disqualifier for you and
>> that the answers to any questions you may pose are simply additional
>> opportunities to poor mouth a believing community member who might
>> have the
>> questionable judgement, in your view, to want to run for elected
>> office.
>>
>> g
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From:
>> Art Deco
>> To: Vision 2020
>> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:52
>> PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
>> Postcardgate
>>
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>> For one reason, as far as I know, Schmidt does not attend
>> and occasionally preach in a church which mixes religion and
>> politics
>> as Bouma does (as you can see from the quotes below). Another
>> reason:
>> Bouma has been asked in a public forum about his religious beliefs
>> and their
>> relations to his political beliefs -- he refused to answer claiming
>> the
>> question out of bounds.
>>
>> Every candidate ought tell us what their political
>> positions are and why they hold those positions including their
>> religious
>> reasons, if any. So far as I know no one has asked Schmidt these
>> questions. Perhaps someone should; perhaps you.
>>
>> In a previous post, I opined that it is not only
>> important for a candidate to state his positions, but why she/he
>> believes
>> them. It is important to understand how a candidate arrives at his
>> conclusions in order to judge in part his desirability and/or
>> fitness for
>> office.
>> http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2010-October/072051.html
>>
>> W.
>>
>> If the quotes below do not show you about mixing religion
>> and politics in a way prohibited by law for non-profit religious
>> organizations, acts of which Bouma is at least an accessory to, then
>> go to
>> www.freezechurch.org and do a
>> Google site search using the single word "Obama"
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From:
>> Gary
>> Crabtree
>> To: Art Deco ; Vision
>> 2020
>> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:22
>> PM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020]
>> Postcardgate
>>
>>
>> "What are Bouma's religious beliefs, how do
>> they affect his political opinions, how do they affect his
>> attitude toward
>> certain classes of voters (gays and Mormons, e.g.), and why does
>> he not
>> have the honesty and courage to reveal and to discuss how his
>> religious
>> beliefs determine and affect his political positi
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