[Vision2020] Religious Concerns about a Candidate?

Sat Oct 16 11:26:46 PDT 2010

Added comment. You should pay attention to Ike Young's response at the AARP Forum and get off this nonsense. 
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 11:09:29 -0700
To: "Saundra Lund" v2020 at ssl.fastmail.fm, nickgier at roadrunner.com,  "'Wayne Price'" bear at moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Religious Concerns about a  Candidate?

> Saundra
> I skimmed through the reference you posted(Malichi part2) and also the Revival of America parts 1,2 and 3.  I did not find any reference to the LDS. All I saw was the fairly typical sermons you might expect from most Christian churches. Perhaps you could be a little more specific In whare the offending passages are. I find it interesting that the left in general(not every one) takes to task fundamentalist churches that support traditional marriage, but are mum on the Islamic view of marriage. I would think that feminist in particular would object. There is outrage ( as ther should be) about the pastor who suggested burning the Koran. I hear  no such outrage about islamic countries burning of the bible. There seems to be an acceptances of moslem attitude toward any thing western. Where is the outrage when people like Molly Norris can not exercise freedom of speech , but must assume a new identity and go into hiding .
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: "Saundra Lund" v2020 at ssl.fastmail.fm
> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 02:37:13 -0700
> To: "'lfalen'" lfalen at turbonet.com, nickgier at roadrunner.com, "'Wayne Price'" bear at moscow.com
> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Religious Concerns about a  Candidate?
> 
> > Oh, for Pete's sake, Roger -- this didn't just come up for Bouma -- he's
> > heard the sermons for God knows how long.  I don’t know how long Bouma has
> > been attending Freeze Community Church because he's certainly NOT been as
> > honest as Obama was, but the intolerant preaching at Freeze Community Church
> > has been going on for a long time.  Your comment about this only "just came
> > up" for Bouma is patently false as I know I ***personally*** gave you a
> > head's up back in July -- it's not my problem you didn't pay attention or
> > bother to educate yourself.  Perhaps you & other Latah County GOP members
> > have chosen to bury your heads in the sand because it's convenient.
> > 
> > Bouma attends a church that has decided to brazenly flout IRS regulations
> > required for churches that want the benefit of tax exemption, and Knerr has
> > bragged about it from the pulpit, for crying out loud.  No one forces
> > churches to accept tax exempt benefits, but when a church *does* choose to
> > accept that benefit, it's dishonest -- to put it mildly -- not to follow the
> > rules.  Roger, do you ***really*** think it wise to elect someone who
> > attends a church that knowingly & intentionally violates IRS regs & who
> > hasn't condemned that rule-breaking???
> > 
> > Bouma attends a church where the LDS religion is accused of blasphemy &
> > heresy, and likened to Satan's minions, for crying out loud.  The pastor
> > concludes his venom with, " Okay, sorry for letting off so much steam, but
> > this, “it doesn‘t make any difference what a man‘s religion is” junk is
> > sometimes more than I can take."
> > 
> > Since Bouma attends a church where it's preached that knowing a "man's"
> > religion IS important, everyone who truly believes in the US Constitution
> > would been stupid not to pay attention 
> > 
> > We know that Bouma himself circulated an Islamaphobic email, so tolerance of
> > other religious views certainly isn't something he practices or believes in.
> > Don't you think that's important for Latah County voters to know that our
> > tolerance will be met with intolerance???
> > 
> > Bouma attends a church that routinely spreads the hateful LIE that President
> > Obama is a Muslim and uses that as a basis to attack our president.  Again,
> > if a person's religion is so important to them and legitimate fodder with
> > which to attack other Americans, we'd be foolish not to heed that knowledge.
> > 
> > Bouma attends a church that believes God hates America.  Why on earth would
> > any thinking person want to elect someone who believes that God hates
> > America and attends a church where the belief is that ALL religions and
> > churches that don't share their teachings & beliefs are "Satan's
> > minions"?!?!
> > 
> > Bouma attends a church that preaches, "To support homosexual marriage is to
> > call God a liar.  Any church that proclaims different is a church of Satan.
> > Any person who condones homosexual marriage is anti-God and anti-Christ. "
> > http://www.freezechurch.org/page42.html
> > 
> > In one of your responses, you said that, " Everyone's religious beliefs
> > should be tolerated."  To me, it's nothing short of sheer lunacy to turn a
> > blind eye to the vicious intolerance ROUTINELY preached at candidate Bouma's
> > church.
> > 
> > Quite frankly, Roger, I'm deeply disappointed that you've chosen to wear
> > blinders about this matter.  You have repeatedly claimed to be a
> > libertarian, but your eagerness to turn a blind eye to the decidedly
> > reactionary Religious Right stance of candidates like Bouma who clearly
> > would love nothing more than to replace the Constitution with a theocracy
> > just because they call themselves "Republicans" is a horrifying betrayal of
> > Libertarianism.  I beseech you to STOP being blinded by party loyalty and
> > look instead at the candidates rather than their party affiliation.  Many of
> > us in Latah county have done so, which explains the success of previous
> > "Republican" candidate -- it works both ways, you know.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Saundra Lund
> > Moscow, ID
> > 
> > The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do
> > nothing.
> > ~ Edmund Burke
> > 
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> > 70 years, Saundra Lund.  Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or reproduce outside
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> > On Behalf Of lfalen
> > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 10:18 AM
> > To: nickgier at roadrunner.com; Wayne Price
> > Cc: 'Moscow Vision 2020'
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Religious Concerns about a Candidate?
> > 
> > I am not evading anything, but I refuse to be draw in to the attempt to
> > deliberately create dissention. Obama sat in Wrights church for 20 years
> > with out objecting. His first response was to say that he could not
> > repudiate him. The situation with Bouma just came up. I am sure he will
> > answer it in his own way in due time. I am not aware of any split in the
> > Latah Republicans, except for Schroeder, who lost in the primary to Bouma.
> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: nickgier at roadrunner.com
> > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 10:06:50 -0700
> > To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com,  Wayne Price bear at moscow.com
> > Subject: Re: Religious Concerns about a  Candidate?
> > 
> > > Hi Roger,
> > > 
> > > As usual you are evading the main issue.  Obama repudiated his minister
> > when he said hateful things, and now Bouma should do the same for his
> > minister who preaches hate against the Mormons.
> > > 
> > > Please answer my other questions about the split in the Latah Republicans.
> > > 
> > > Nick
> > > ---- lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote: 
> > > > I agree, religion should stay out of it. Everyone's religious beliefs
> > should be tolerated. You don't have to agree with them. Treat people on how
> > they behave in regard to the general public and their interaction with
> > other.
> > > > Roger
> > > > -----Original message-----
> > > > From: Wayne Price bear at moscow.com
> > > > Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 15:08:55 -0700
> > > > To: nickgier at roadrunner.com
> > > > Subject: Religious Concerns about a  Candidate?
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Nick, et al........
> > > > > 
> > > > > Just an open question here that I'd like an answer to:  When has 
> > > > > our politics devolved so much that we would or wouldn't vote for a 
> > > > > candidate base on his/her religion?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Just taking a step back from the Republican / Democrat / Tea Party 
> > > > > politics, this is starting to sound like the taliban when a vote 
> > > > > will be based or a person would be belittled because of what their 
> > > > > church and faith they believe in. Would it be OK to ask these same 
> > > > > kind of questions if a candidate is jewish or catholic? I just 
> > > > > want to know how far tolerance  goes and where is the line?
> > > 
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