[Vision2020] Say What?

lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
Thu Oct 14 09:56:10 PDT 2010 

Deb
Please reread what I said. I supported food stamps and welfare checks for the short term. What I am opposed to is the continuation of such payments that run into decades. What we need is programs that provide job opportunities for those that are unemployed and the incentive to take them. There is nothing morally wrong with being unemployed or in taking unemployment payments. The employer and employee have paid into this  program. What is wrong is not getting off of it as soon as possible. I have a masters in Animal Nutrition. When I was out of work, I took a job with Sunset Mart at Troy on the midnight shift. At the same time I worked at WSU Veterinary School cleaning horse stables. I was able to get on with Crossroads Nursery doing landscaping. At that point I quit the Sunset job. When I was able to get on at AVS at the UI as a Research Support Scientist I quit Crossroads Nursery and the Stable job.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: "deb" debismith at moscow.com
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 08:04:02 -0700
To: "lfalen" lfalen at turbonet.com, "Reggie Holmquist" reggieholmquist at u.boisestate.edu
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?

> And considering the state of the economy which inhibits even those with 
> education and experience from finding work which provides a living wage (let 
> alone any benefits), just how do you propose finding work for those people 
> chucked off food stamps and welfare? And, by the way, how does putting more 
> state workers out of work (and likely into welfare programs) benefit anyone? 
> It is far more complicated than just "dump the welfare bums". Sound bites 
> are not reality, rhetoric is not thoughtful, and no one wants to be on state 
> benefits if they have a REAL alternative. Unfortunately, no one is talking 
> about that because they are too busy saving their own bottom line from the 
> Tax Man, the Guvimint, and those pesky School System Lackeys who might teach 
> critical thinking.
> 
> Debi R-S who is very tired of the unthinking, self-referencing, short-term 
> gain behaviour in the US.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "lfalen" <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> To: "Reggie Holmquist" <reggieholmquist at u.boisestate.edu>
> Cc: "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 2:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
> 
> 
> > The money may go directly into the economy and I certainly support taking 
> > care of those temporarily out  of work and the indigent, but it is not a 
> > long term cure. To continue to provide welfare checks over the long haul 
> > perpetuates the problem, adding to those on the dole. The emphasise should 
> > be on stimulating the creation of jobs and putting people to work.
> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: Reggie Holmquist reggieholmquist at u.boisestate.edu
> > Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 09:54:07 -0700
> > To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?
> >
> >> Not to sound too blunt, Mr. Roger, but that's the truth and I humbly 
> >> suggest
> >> you do your research on this matter.  The fact that food stamps and 
> >> welfare
> >> checks have the most economically stimulative effect out of anything that
> >> the government can do in a recession is a truth that is well established
> >> (and has been for years) by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office. 
> >> I
> >> fear your ideology may blind you to this fact, but it is simple logic to 
> >> see
> >> that it is the most stimulating thing that can be done, considering that 
> >> it
> >> is the fastest way to spend government money.  Food stamps and welfare
> >> checks are usually spent immediately by the recipients.  Obviously, this
> >> money goes directly into the economy.
> >>
> >> Here is a 
> >> link<http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/29/news/economy/stimulus_analysis/index.htm>by
> >> another well-respected non-partisan group indicating the same thing.
> >>
> >> -Reggie
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 9:45 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Here is an item for your "say what"  Nancy Pelosi said in regard to
> >> > creating jobs and stimulating the economy " you get your biggest bang 
> >> > for
> >> > your buck with food stamps and welfare checks"  How idiotic can you 
> >> > get?
> >> > Roger
> >> > -----Original message-----
> >> > From: "Tom Hansen" thansen at moscow.com
> >> > Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 06:14:32 -0700
> >> > To: "Moscow Vision 2020" vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> > Subject: [Vision2020] Say What?
> >> >
> >> > > "My favorite part of campaigning has been meeting with retired folks 
> >> > > . .
> >> > .
> >> > >
> >> > > I hope our retired community will forgive me for wanting to bring my
> >> > > complete message in my own format rather than AARP's."
> >> > >
> >> > > - Gresham Bouma, Republican candidate for State Senator of Idaho's 
> >> > > 6th
> >> > > Congressional District 6 (October 12, 2010)
> >> > >
> >> > > ---------------------------------------------------------
> >> > >
> >> > > And just what is your "format", Mr. Bouma?
> >> > >
> >> > > A self-loving monologue at the East City Mall?
> >> > >
> >> > > One-way letters to the Daily News Editor?
> >> > >
> >> > > Hey, wait!  I know what it is.  The only thing that fears you more 
> >> > > than
> >> > > the "Q" portion of "Q and A" is the "A" portion; that portion of a
> >> > > candidate's forum where you must respond to questions presented by 
> >> > > local
> >> > > citizens, that don't attend your brand of church, with serious 
> >> > > community
> >> > > concerns.
> >> > >
> >> > > Howver, if you do grow a hair or two between now and Friday, you can 
> >> > > man
> >> > > up at . . .
> >> > >
> >> > > Event: AARP Candidates' Forum
> >> > > Date (Time):  October 15, 2010 (11:30 AM)
> >> > > Location:  Best Western Inn (Idaho/Washington Conference Rooms)
> >> > >
> >> > > If not . . . we'll understand.
> >> > >
> >> > > Seeya there, Moscow.
> >> > >
> >> > > Tom Hansen
> >> > > Moscow, Idaho
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to
> >> > change
> >> > > and the Realist adjusts his sails."
> >> > >
> >> > > - Unknown
> >> > >
> >> > >
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> >>
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly 
> >> what
> >> the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and 
> >> be
> >> replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is 
> >> another
> >> theory which states that this has already happened.
> >>
> >> Douglas Adams
> >>
> >>
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