[Vision2020] "Age of Stupid" Director a Woman, Not a "Guy" Re: 10:10 "no pressure" video

[Paul Rumelhart]

Believe me, I'm as big a Monty Python fan as anybody.

I'd still like to see a discussion about how far is too far, though.

Why is it so hard to get a discussion going here?

Paul

Ron Force wrote:
> Where do they get such stupid ideas?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltmMJntSfQI
>  
> Ron Force
> Moscow Idaho USA
>
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> *From:* Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com>
> *To:* Ron Force <rforce2003 at yahoo.com>
> *Cc:* Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com>; Vision2020 
> <vision2020 at moscow.com>
> *Sent:* Mon, October 4, 2010 1:48:31 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] "Age of Stupid" Director a Woman, Not a 
> "Guy" Re: 10:10 "no pressure" video
>
>
> Finally, someone responds.  Thank you.  I thought the film was rather 
> well done, myself, and funny.  I'm a sucker for British accents, though.
>
> The question I wanted to ask before this turned into my begging for 
> someone to watch the film was:  "How far is too far?"
> What makes the film funny is that it's suggesting that we kill off 
> anyone who won't agree to curb their personal carbon emissions by 
> 10%.  Presumably, exploding school children for not agreeing to bike 
> to school instead of having their parents drive them has crossed a 
> line somewhere.  Where is that line?  What is acceptable, given our 
> current knowledge of the science involved and the estimated 
> consequences that are waiting in the wings?  I've heard lots of scare 
> stories about tipping points and islands being flooded and some large 
> percentage of the Earth's population dying because they live on the 
> coast and so forth.  So how far is too far?
> I mean, we're saving the world here after all.
>
> Paul
>
> Ron Force wrote:
> > I ran across it a couple of days ago. I thought it was pretty funny, 
> in the tradition of slasher films where no one takes the violence 
> seriously, but appreciates the irony.
> >  Ron Force
> > Moscow Idaho USA
> >
> >
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> > *From:* Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com 
> <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>>
> > *To:* Ted Moffett <starbliss at gmail.com <mailto:starbliss at gmail.com>>
> > *Cc:* Vision2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>>
> > *Sent:* Sun, October 3, 2010 5:29:37 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] "Age of Stupid" Director a Woman, Not a 
> "Guy" Re: 10:10 "no pressure" video
> >
> >
> > I got the gender of the director of "the Age of Stupid" wrong.  My
> > apologies.
> >
> > If any one out there is brave enough to watch this video that is
> > intended for mass consumption by the public at large, please do so and
> > let me know what you think.  If you can spare some time from your
> > researches on climate change, of course.
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > Ted Moffett wrote:
> > > The director of "the Age of Stupid" is not a guy, given a meaning of
> > > this word to be "a male."  When this film came out last year, I
> > > repeatedly posted information to Vision2020 about it, specifically
> > > referring to the director, Franny Armstrong, who also directed such
> > > noteworthy films as "McLibel" and "Drowned Out."
> > > > Read about Ms. Armstrong and her film making efforts at website 
> below
> > > > http://www.spannerfilms.net/people/franny_armstrong
> > > ----------------------
> > > Some people toss the word "guy" around in a gender neutral way, as in
> > > "you guys" referring to a group of men and/or women.  But when
> > > specifically referring to the director of a film, to call them a "guy"
> > > I think in most people's minds indicates they are a male.
> > > > I did not watch the video you posted a link to, given I have far 
> more
> > > professional and in depth sources to spend my limited time studying,
> > > regarding what is required to address lowering CO2 emissions. > 
> However, I did a quick search on the 10:10 campaign and found a
> > > different video on YouTube regarding "The Guardian's 10:10 climate
> > > change campaign," which I did not watch either, but I suspect refers
> > > to the major United Kingdom newspaper "The Guardian."
> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=314UCvMmgrU
> > > ---------------
> > > > For anyone serious about considering plans to lower CO2 emissions to
> > > address anthropogenic climate warming, I recommend study of the
> > > following plan from the Earth Policy Institute for lowering global
> > > emissions 80 percent by 2020, or read NASA climate scientist James
> > > Hansen's book, 'Storms of My Grandchildren."  There are numerous
> > > professional and in depth sources addressing this problem, but these
> > > two sources are certainly worth consideration.
> > > > The Earth Policy Institute has discussed "tax shifting" to encourage
> > > less reliance on fossil fuels, and James Hansen has advocated a "fee
> > > and dividend" plan.  Peculiarly, these alternative plans to "cap
> > > and trade" are rarely discussed in mainstream media, as far as I have
> > > noted.  James Hansen has specifically stated that "cap and trade" is a
> > > flawed approach.
> > > > I have posted information on the Earth Policy Institute plan and 
> James
> > > Hansen's plans repeatedly, yet I do not recall anyone on this list
> > > ever responding "onlist" specifically to these sources:
> > > > Information on Earth Policy Institute's "80 by 2020" plan:
> > > > http://www.earth-policy.org/datacenter/pdf/80by2020doc.pdf
> > > > James Hansen on "fee and dividend" plan as discussed in a New York
> > > Times article "Cap and Fade."  The article title makes it rather clear
> > > that Hansen does not promote "cap and trade:"
> > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/07/opinion/07hansen.html
> > > ------------------------------------------
> > > Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett
> > > > On 9/30/10, *Paul Rumelhart* <godshatter at yahoo.com 
> <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com> <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com 
> <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>>
> > > <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com> 
> <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com <mailto:godshatter at yahoo.com>>>> wrote:
> > >
> > >    I just stumbled upon this (may contain disturbing images):
> > >
> > >    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UHN3zHoYA0
> > >
> > >    It's a video about the "10:10 campaign" that encourages people 
> to cut
> > >    their carbon footprints by 10%, with a rather remarkable
> > >    punishment for
> > >    those who aren't willing to do so.
> > >
> > >    This isn't a small-time production, either.  It's directed by 
> the guy
> > >    who directed The Age of Stupid, it's written by the 
> screenwriters that
> > >    wrote "Four Weddings", it has a soundtrack provided by Radiohead,
> > >    and it
> > >    has a cameo by Gillian Anderson of X Files fame.
> > >
> > >    While I'm not blind to the humor involved, is this really the
> > >    message we
> > >    want to get across?  Play ball or die?  I mean, I'm willing to
> > >    conserve
> > >    energy and reduce gasoline usage without death threats.  I just 
> don't
> > >    think that "climate change" is necessarily the Armageddon it's
> > >    made out
> > >    to be, and this makes me wonder about the people pushing that
> > >    particular
> > >    agenda.
> > >
> > >    Anyway, take a look and let us know what you think.
> > >
> > >    Paul
> > >
> > >    P. S.  I'm *really* hoping that Ted didn't get issued one of 
> those red
> > >    buttons...
> > >
> >
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