[Vision2020] Curiosity Question

[Darrell Keim]

Makes sense.  But you are wrong about my level of religious tolerance, and I
haven't condemned anyone.  You keep saying I have, without proof, but that
doesn't make it so.

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Joe Campbell <philosopher.joe at gmail.com>wrote:

> Sorry about the incomplete sentences but i'm sending this from my iPhone.
>
> Here's what I know: a local political/religious group made a public,
> threatening comment and a few of the folks who were offended by it reacted
> in predictable ways. You had an opportunity to condemn the former group for
> their insulting comments, which you must know are more likely to stir the
> tension between us than heal them. Instead you chose to condemn the folks
> who were offended in the first place. That strikes me a little like blaming
> the victim. Not that I feel like a victim. I'm just making an analogy.
>
> Sorry but I just get a little upset when I see sensible moderates kissing
> the asses of the radical fringe but not having the decency to keep quiet
> when the left sound off about the offense. And say what you want but if it
> were a Muslim college making a similar threatening comment about a Christian
> church, you'd be on our side. And they would have been burned to the ground.
>
> Does this make sense?
>
>
> On Nov 28, 2010, at 4:42 PM, Darrell Keim <keim153 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Joe Campbell <<philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> philosopher.joe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm happy for you that the fact that at least two radical rightwing
>> churches, ones who continually disrespect and even threaten people who
>> have alternative world views, exist in Moscow; that one of them ran a
>> candidate for political office, hoping to extend their narrow, bigoted
>> views.
>
>
> I'm going to assume that the above incomplete sentence was intended to say
> something along the lines that the radical rightwing churches don't bother
> me.  Again, you are reading more into my note than I actually said.  You
> have no idea what I think of them.  All you know is that I didn't think we
> needed to bring Christ Church into Tom's church list question.  That comment
> was followed by Tom himself saying something very similar in a follow-up
> note.  I am perfectly happy that you are interested in these two churches.
>  Just because something is not a topic I pursue vociferously does not mean
> others shouldn't.  Unfortunately, this listserv seems like a one note
> instrument when almost everything is linked to that same topic.
>
> As to any new remarks made by NSA-how are they breaking news?  Are they
> breaking with previous pronouncements?  You (and others) find their beliefs
> and stances repugnant.  Nothing new there.  If the dog has always smelled,
> why keep talking about it if that is all the action you plan to take?
>
> I do find it interesting how you feel free to make accusations about me but
> are unwilling/able to back them up when pressed (Too summarize for our
> viewership you have made four unproven/untrue accusations about me:  1.  I
> am unconcerned about these local churches.  2. I have criticized people that
> are.  3.  I am only concerned about threatening remarks made about
> Christians.  4.  I am a Christian-I'll concede this point, I'm a
> Protestant.).  That's a lot of unwarranted assumptions you make about me.
>  We all know what happens when you ass-u-me.  Doesn't lead credence to your
> other discussion points.  I hope for better use of argumentation and logic
> from a philosopher with such an awesome name.
>
> I've told you how I stand up for what I'm concerned about.  I volunteer
> and/or work for agencies that make a difference.  Do you do anything other
> than write and talk?  Nott meant as a jab.  I really am curious, and suspect
> others on v2020 are too.  I know it means more to me when someone combines
> their talk with action.  As an aside, I am currently reading a bio of Irish
> hunger striker Bobby Sands.  What a guy!  He REALLY walked the talk.
>
>
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