[Vision2020] Pres mans-up
Paul Rumelhart
godshatter at yahoo.com
Thu Nov 4 07:54:26 PDT 2010
According to the Facebook statistics page
(http://www.facebook.com/press/info.php?statistics), Facebook has over
500 million active users, 50% of which log in on any given day.
Compare that to, say, the viewership of Dancing with the Stars which has
about 20 million viewers according to Nielsen ratings
(http://en-us.nielsen.com/content/nielsen/en_us/insights/rankings/television.html).
Welcome to the 21st century :) <-- that's called a "smiley", which is an
"emoticon". Other examples include ;) XD :P :-) <3 and so forth.
Paul
Gary Crabtree wrote:
> I don't know a thing about "facebook." It must be quite something to
> be the equivalent of ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, FOX, CNN, NPR, etc.
>
> Many Jews think Catholics are up start, Johnny come latelys and are in
> doctrinal error, Many Catholics feel the same about Protestants, Many
> Protestants feel the same about the LDS etc. etc. etc. It is the story
> of religion in the world that congregations, churches, sects, whatever
> feel that they are on the true path and that others have yet to see
> the light. That Mr. Bouma's Pastor felt that way isn't some sort of
> major news story, it was a branch with which to beat a candidate with
> which a group didn't agree.
>
> For another Pastor to make comments stating that the country the
> candidate was seeking to lead deserved what happened on 11 September,
> that God should damn that same country, and that that county had
> concocted dread diseases and inflicted them on the world, that is a
> completely different thing as I suspect you are well aware.
>
> I see that the old Joe has returned, I also think that most folks on
> this forum see the inevitable conclusion of that home coming. Please
> take the last word, I don't want to subject the rest of the gang to
> what is sure to follow. I'm done.
>
> g
>
> *From:* Joe Campbell <mailto:philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 04, 2010 4:41 AM
> *To:* Gary Crabtree <mailto:jampot at roadrunner.com>
> *Cc:* keely emerinemix <mailto:kjajmix1 at msn.com> ;
> <vpschwaller at gmail.com> <mailto:vpschwaller at gmail.com%3E> ;
> <vision2020 at moscow.com> <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com%3E>
> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Pres mans-up
>
> Ike "I Hate Democrats" Young's dad, as could be seen on his Facebook
> page. I noticed it here on the V when Tom posted a link during the
> short-lived (and nit really ever fully substantiated) "flyer-gate"
> scandal.
>
> Now that I have your attention, I've been wanting to ask you, why did
> you change your tune this election from two years ago? Recall two
> years ago when No Weatherman was posting by the hour his interesting
> (though racist) inquiries concerning Obama's religious views, etc.
> especially whether he was a Muslim. Why were those questions fair, a
> view you offered time and time again, yet questions about Bouma's
> religion somehow off bounds? Or at any rate, why weren't the right's
> of people to ask those questions defended with the same zeal that you,
> Roger, and other local Republicans defended No Weatherman's?
>
> Is it that first amendment speech rights apply to Republicans during
> election years but not to Democrats? That first amendment rights of
> religious expression have a hidden footnote suggesting it really only
> applies to Christians yet not Muslims or Mormons? Is it that only the
> second amendment is absolute and that the first can be ignored by
> local Republicans when the see fit? Or is it that as a matter of
> personal taste you enjoyed reading the racist rants of No Weatherman
> more than honest questions and concerns about whether a local
> candidate for state office held offensive views toward Mormons?
>
>
>
> On Nov 4, 2010, at 2:18 AM, "Gary Crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com
> <mailto:jampot at roadrunner.com>> wrote:
>
>> The father of a local Republican candidate vs. The President. You're
>> right, strikes me as being about equal in throw weight. I'm guessing
>> that this local father, who ever it is you're talking about, was
>> receiving major media coverage on an hour by hour basis. Perhaps
>> you'd care to provide a cite to the radio, television, or
>> newspaper coverage of local daddy's daily disparagement?
>>
>> g
>>
>> *From:* Joe Campbell <mailto:philosopher.joe at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 03, 2010 10:13 PM
>> *To:* Gary Crabtree <mailto:jampot at roadrunner.com>
>> *Cc:* keely emerinemix <mailto:kjajmix1 at msn.com> ; <
>> <mailto:vpschwaller at gmail.com%3E>vpschwaller at gmail.com
>> <mailto:vpschwaller at gmail.com>> ; <
>> <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com%3E>vision2020 at moscow.com
>> <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Pres mans-up
>>
>> You write: "Your paragon of masculine virtue had absolutely no need
>> to even acknowledge their presence other than to taunt them as the
>> source of all ills ..."
>>
>> For crying out loud, local Republicans ran a candidate whose father
>> called Democrats "communists" on a daily basis and neither you nor
>> any of your friends said a damn thing. I cannot imagine a Democrat
>> getting away with that crap. So please save your lectures about
>> intolerance and hostility among progressives. Obama will do more with
>> Republican leadership than your stonewalling Republican leadership
>> ever did with him.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 3, 2010, at 8:47 PM, "Gary Crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com
>> <mailto:jampot at roadrunner.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> Reading a little much into a subject line aren’t we?
>>>
>>> I'm a little curious as to how daunting you imagine "facing down an
>>> unremittingly hostile GOP in his first half-term." is likely to have
>>> been. Your paragon of masculine virtue had absolutely no need to
>>> even acknowledge their presence other than to taunt them as the
>>> source of all ills, castigate them as "enemies" and consign them to
>>> "the back of the bus." The cold hard facts of the matter are that
>>> the president had a veto proof, filibuster proof majority and could
>>> do as he pleased without so much as a Republican by your leave. The
>>> only disappointments to be suffered were at the hands of other
>>> democrats.
>>>
>>> g
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* keely emerinemix <mailto:kjajmix1 at msn.com>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 03, 2010 6:47 PM
>>> *To:* vpschwaller at gmail.com <mailto:vpschwaller at gmail.com> ;
>>> vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vision2020] Pres mans-up
>>>
>>> Gee, Glenndale, with talk of the President's "manning up," you sound
>>> as rough and tumble as Christine O'Donnell, Sarah Palin, and Sharron
>>> Angle. I suppose that makes you da man . . . or da men. Good for you.
>>>
>>> It looks like you're interpreting the Huffington Post article as an
>>> introduction to Obama 2.0, Manlier Version (Chest Hair Sold
>>> Separately). I guess, then, that I'd be correct in concluding that
>>> you think that some sort of cowardice, softness, and
>>> limp-wristedness is behind Obama's difficulties over the past two
>>> years. Care to confirm, with examples? Because I think a lot of us
>>> who have had our disappointments with him haven't really ever given
>>> due consideration to any lack of bravery or toughness on his part.
>>> I know you know a lot about bravery and toughness, so I'm hoping you
>>> can shed some light on this for us. I know you wouldn't hold a
>>> guy's intellect, education, or bearing against him -- you've
>>> probably met a few manly Classicists in your life -- so I'm really
>>> interested in hearing how he hasn't "manned up" while facing down an
>>> unremittingly hostile GOP in his first half-term.
>>>
>>> It's true that Barack Obama doesn't taunt our enemies on a destroyer
>>> in wartime while wearing a crotch-enhancing flightsuit, but I just
>>> guess I always assumed he was "man enough" for the job. Since I
>>> know we can agree that people who hide behind pseudonyms or
>>> anonymity aren't terribly gutsy, I await your analysis.
>>>
>>> Keely
>>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com <http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 17:57:58 -0700
>>> > From: vpschwaller at gmail.com <mailto:vpschwaller at gmail.com>
>>> > To: vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
>>> > Subject: [Vision2020] Pres mans-up
>>> >
>>> > >From the Huffington Post:
>>> >
>>> > A chastened President Barack Obama signaled a willingness to
>>> > compromise with Republicans on tax cuts and energy policy Wednesday,
>>> > one day after his party lost control of the House and suffered deep
>>> > Senate losses in midterm elections.
>>> >
>>> > Obama ruefully called the Republican victories "a shellacking" and
>>> > acknowledged that his own connection with the public had frayed.
>>> >
>>> > At a White House news conference, the president said that when
>>> > Congress returns, "my goal is to make sure we don't have a huge spike
>>> > in taxes for middle class families." He made no mention of his
>>> > campaign-long insistence that tax cuts be permitted to expire on
>>> > upper-income families, a position he said would avoid swelling the
>>> > deficit but put him in conflict with Republicans.
>>> >
>>> > He also virtually abandoned his legislation – hopelessly stalled in
>>> > the Senate – featuring economic incentives to reduce carbon emissions
>>> > from power plants, vehicles and other sources.
>>> >
>>> > "I'm going to be looking for other means of addressing this problem,"
>>> > he said. "Cap and trade was just one way of skinning the cat," he
>>> > said, strongly implying there will be others.
>>> >
>>> > In the campaign, Republicans slammed the bill as a "national energy
>>> > tax" and jobs killer, and numerous Democrats sought to emphasize their
>>> > opposition to the measure during their own re-election races.
>>> >
>>> > The president opened his post-election news conference by saying
>>> > voters who felt frustrated by the sluggish pace of economic recovery
>>> > had dictated the Republican takeover in the House.
>>> >
>>> > Asked to reflect on the returns, he said, "I feel bad," adding that
>>> > many Democrats who went down to defeat had done so knowing they risked
>>> > their careers to support his agenda of economic stimulus legislation
>>> > and a landmark health care bill. He blamed himself, in part.
>>> >
>>> > "The relationship that I've had with the American people is one that
>>> > built slowly, peaked at this incredible high, and then during the
>>> > course of the last two years, as we've together gone through some very
>>> > difficult times, has gotten rockier and tougher," Obama said.
>>> >
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