[Vision2020] The 2008 Legislature and SB1427 - When Idaho Gave a Damn

Wayne Price bear at moscow.com
Mon May 24 14:29:34 PDT 2010 

Andreas,

Correct on both counts, you do not have to be a citizen to get either  
on of those.
The Department of State DOES issue US passport cards. And there are  
other documents issued by the federal government
that proves citizenship.





On May 24, 2010, at 2:23 PM, Andreas Schou wrote:

> Your driver's license is not proof of citizenship, nor is your social
> security card. Your passport might be.
>
> -- ACS
>
> On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com> wrote:
>> And the answer to your specific question is YES, I do carry proof of
>> my citizenship with me.
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>> On May 24, 2010, at 2:06 PM, jpool at moscow.com wrote:
>>
>>> Wayne,
>>>
>>> One of the pertinent parts of my questions is (or at least is
>>> implied):
>>> "Are you walking around with proof of your citizenship on your
>>> person?"
>>>
>>> If you are stopped on the street RIGHT NOW, do you have proof beyond
>>> all
>>> reasonable doubt that you are a legal citizen, *on your person?*
>>>
>>> As to the rest of your rant, how does it bear any reasonable
>>> relationship
>>> to my post?
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>> John,
>>>>
>>>> Not everyone that is in favor of enforcing our federal immigration
>>>> laws is a "right-wingnut". Do I think that our current immigration
>>>> policy needs improvement, yes I do. I also think that
>>>> violations of federal law is not the way for illegal immigrants to
>>>> endear themselves to our lawmakers  and citizens when it comes to
>>>> those improvements.  None of us gets to pick and choose which
>>>> laws we personally feel we should not obey or get prosecuted for.  
>>>> The
>>>> laws are there for all of us, to be obeyed or not, and for us to
>>>> personally take the consequences for our actions.
>>>> And as far as being able to identify yourself as an American  
>>>> citizen,
>>>> yes I do have such documentation, so did my parents and my
>>>> grandparents.
>>>>
>>>> Some questions to ponder: Do you think we should have open  
>>>> borders so
>>>> anyone can come and go as they please? Do you think that the 12-20
>>>> million estimated illegals should be granted a
>>>> blanket amnesty, even though they have in fact broken federal
>>>> immigration laws?
>>>>
>>>> Wayne
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On May 24, 2010, at 10:51 AM, John Pool wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I wonder how many of us posting to The Viz walk around with papers
>>>>> that
>>>>> prove that we have a right to be here, and that our parents also
>>>>> had/
>>>>> have a
>>>>> right to be here? Does State Senator Mike Jorgenson? Will these
>>>>> right-wingnuts bring about an ever-stronger movement towards a
>>>>> national
>>>>> identity card? Points to ponder.
>>>>>
>>>>> John Pool
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>>>>> [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
>>>>> ]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Tom Hansen
>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 9:16 AM
>>>>> To: Moscow Vision 2020
>>>>> Subject: [Vision2020] The 2008 Legislature and SB1427 - When Idaho
>>>>> Gave a
>>>>> Damn
>>>>>
>>>>> Greetings Visionaires -
>>>>>
>>>>> As Idaho State Senator Mike Jorgenson (R-Hayden) vows to introduce
>>>>> legislation (if he is elected), identical to Arizona's "papers
>>>>> please"
>>>>> immigration bill, a major unwelcomed step in returning Idaho to  
>>>>> the
>>>>> days
>>>>> of white sheets and burning crosses . . .
>>>>>
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2dkm8bs
>>>>>
>>>>> It is comforting to reflect back to the 2008 Idaho legislature and
>>>>> Senate
>>>>> Bill 1427.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://legislature.idaho.gov/legislation/2008/S1427.html#billtext
>>>>>
>>>>> HIGHER EDUCATION - Amends existing law relating to higher
>>>>> education to
>>>>> revise residency requirements; and to provide for  
>>>>> confidentiality of
>>>>> student information.
>>>>>
>>>>> . . .
>>>>>
>>>>> "Notwithstanding subsection (2) of this section, any student who
>>>>> meets all
>>>>> of the following requirements shall be exempt from paying the
>>>>> nonresident
>>>>> portion of total tuition:
>>>>>
>>>>>   (a)  Graduation from a public or private high  school  in  this
>>>>> state
>>>>> or attainment of the equivalent of a high school diploma in this
>>>>> state;
>>>>>
>>>>>   (b)  Continuous residence in this state for:
>>>>>
>>>>>         (i)   The three (3) years preceding the date of graduation
>>>>> or
>>>>> receipt of the diploma equivalent, as applicable; and
>>>>>
>>>>>         (ii)  The  year  preceding  the  census  date of the
>>>>> academic
>>>>> term in which the person is enrolled in an institution of
>>>>> higher  education; and
>>>>>
>>>>>   (c)  Registration  as  an  entering  student,  or current
>>>>> enrollment
>>>>> at an accredited institution of higher education in Idaho not
>>>>> earlier
>>>>> than  the fall semester or quarter of the 2008-2009 academic year;
>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>>   (d)  In the case of a person without lawful immigrant status in
>>>>> the
>>>>> United States,  the  filing of an affidavit with the institution  
>>>>> of
>>>>> higher education stating that the student has filed an   
>>>>> application
>>>>> to  legalize  the student's  immigration  status, or will file an
>>>>> application as soon as the student is eligible to do so."
>>>>>
>>>>> -----------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Although this bill died in the House . . .
>>>>>
>>>>> Idaho Senate BIll 1427 of the 2008 Idaho state legislature, back
>>>>> when
>>>>> Idaho cared, was strongly supported by our own local
>>>>> representatives . . .
>>>>> Shirley RIngo and Tom Trail.
>>>>>
>>>>> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom Hansen
>>>>> Moscow, Idaho
>>>>>
>>>>> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it  
>>>>> to
>>>>> change
>>>>> and the Realist adjusts his sails."
>>>>>
>>>>> - Unknown
>>>>>
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