[Vision2020] Former US Senator & 9/11 Commissoner Max Cleland: "this government knew a whole lot more about these terrorists before September 11 than it has ever admitted...."

Ted Moffett starbliss at gmail.com
Fri Mar 19 17:10:31 PDT 2010


If there was an effort to exploit a pending terror attack, a "new Pearl
Harbor,"
to pursue an agenda of expansion of US military power (as outlined by "The
Project for the New American Century" neo-cons (
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf  ), the
efforts would have been black-ops intelligence, with multiple layers of
plausible tenability and secrecy such an effort would demand.  And if anyone
thinks the US does not engage in black-ops, that are guarded with the utmost
secrecy, I have some ocean front property for sale in Utah at a bargain
price.

I am not basing my concerns regarding questioning the actions of US agents
before 9/11 and after on wild speculation or fringe conspiracy theories.

Credible well researched investigations into the 9/11 Commission uncover
numerous very serious problems with their conclusions.  Before closing your
mind, you might want to do more reading:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/04/books/04thom.html

 THE COMMISSION

The Uncensored History of the 9/11 Commission

By Philip Shenon

----------------------------------

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2004/10/0080234
Whitewash as public service:
How *The 9/11 Commission Report* defrauds the nation

*By Benjamin DeMott <http://www.harpers.org/subjects/BenjaminDeMott>*

*----------------------------------------*

http://911pft.com/pft/catalog/In-Their-Own-Words-p-10.html

In late 2006, the movie 9/11 Press For Truth became a worldwide underground
hit. It exposed the story of the "Jersey Girls" and their allies -- the 9/11
families who had fought for the Commission but ultimately failed in seeing
70% of their questions answered.

A unique, balanced look at a diverse group of topics includes:

   - Top officials' whereabouts and changing stories on the day of 9/11
   - Insider trading before the attacks
   - War games coinciding with Sept. 11th
   - A confrontation between the families and FBI Director Mueller
   - British reports that some of the hijackers named by the FBI are simply
   wrong
   - Government whistleblowers' calls for accountability
   - The FBI informant who lived with 2 of the hijackers
   - A Defense Department program that identified 4 hijackers in 2000
   - The families' push to receive the Pentagon crash tapes
   - Bin Laden extradition negotiations after 9/11
   - The Project For the New American Century

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http://www.911truth.org/downloads/9-11_coverup_booklet.pdf

Former 9/11 commissioner and Senator Max Cleland attacked his own commission
after the other members cut a deal to accept highly limited access to CIA
reports to the White House that may indicate advance knowledge of the
attacks on the part of the Bush administration. "This is a scam," Cleland
said. "It's disgusting. America is being cheated."

"As each day goes by," Cleland said, "we learn that this government knew a
whole lot more about these terrorists before September 11 than it has ever
admitted.... Let's chase this rabbit into the ground. They had a plan to go
to war and when 9/11 happened that's what they did; they went to war."
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Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 11:31 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:

> I am glad that you say "if". Regardless of that is is ridiculous to assert
> that it may have been planed by anyone in the Bush administration. To say
> some heads should have rolled may be appropriate , but hind sight is always
> better than foresight.
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: Ted Moffett starbliss at gmail.com
>  Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 17:01:38 -0700
> To: lfalen lfalen at turbonet.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Power Hour "Libertarian" Radio
> ShowPromotesClaim of 9/11 Cover-up[
>
> > I am not saying President W. Bush deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen,
> > except insofar as he was incompetent. And the historical facts in my post
> > are accurate.  Name one fact in the post you responded to that is not
> well
> > verified.
> >
> > *If, and I emphasize if*, there was any deliberate intentional
> malfeasance
> > among agents of the US to exploit a pending terror attack against the US
> to
> > promote the agenda of the "Project for the New American Century" (Cheney
> and
> > Rumsfeld supported this project) which is rather explicit in documents
> > noting that a "new Pearl Harbor" would provide the justification for an
> > expansion of US military hegemony, President W. Bush would likely have
> been
> > a figure head, not a planner of such malfeasance, and likely kept out of
> the
> > loop.
> >
> > Some think that Cheney was more president, in reality, than Bush during
> his
> > presidency.
> > ------------------------------------------
> > Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:26 AM, lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Your history is distorted. Bush did not allow 9/11 to happen anymore
> than
> > > FDR allowed Pearl Harbor to happen( I am not a fan of either). On Pearl
> > > Harbor the Japanese code was broken and a message was sent out. Neither
>  FDR
> > > or the military higher ups received it.
> > > Roger
> > >  -----Original message-----
> > > From: Ted Moffett starbliss at gmail.com
> > > Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 13:33:05 -0700
> > > To: Paul Rumelhart godshatter at yahoo.com
> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] The Power Hour "Libertarian" Radio Show
> > > PromotesClaim of 9/11 Cover-up[
> > >
> > > > President Bush's August briefing before 9/11 explicitly stated "Bin
> Laden
> > > > determined to strike in US."
> > > >
> > > > I question the theory that the 9/11 attacks and the collapse of the
> > > > buildings involved was orchestrated by agents of the US.  But the
> theory
> > > > that 9/11 was "allowed" to happen, that there was substantial
> evidence
> > > that
> > > > terrorists were going to strike the US, but the aggressive actions
> > > required
> > > > to stop the attack were deliberately avoided, is possible, given that
> the
> > > > neo-con "Project for the New American Century" explicitly stated in
> > > military
> > > > think tank analysis prior to 9/11 ("Rebuilding America's Defenses:
> > > Strategy,
> > > > Forces and Resources for a New Century" September 2000:
> > > > http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf  ),
> > > that a
> > > > "new Pearl Harbor" would provide the justification for the expansion
> of
> > > US
> > > > military power into the Middle East and elsewhere.
> > > >
> > > > At best, the fact that more aggressive steps were not taken to stop
> the
> > > 9/11
> > > > attacks, reveals gross incompetence, if not a deliberate conspiracy
> to
> > > > exploit a major terror attack against the US as a "new Pearl Harbor"
> to
> > > > expand US military/economic hegemony.  Cheney and Rumsfeld signed the
> > > > "Statement of Principles" for the "Project for the New American
> Century"
> > > in
> > > > 1997 ( http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm).
> > >  It is
> > > > no surprise they assumed positions of great power in the second Bush
> > > > administration, given the agenda to expand US military/economic
> hegemony
> > > was
> > > > planned well in advance, if they could gain the White House back.
> > > >
> > > > I won't continue a history lesson here (the two websites below offer
> a
> > > > critical analysis of 9/11 orthodoxy).  But there are very serious
> > > questions
> > > > that can be raised regarding why more aggressive steps were not taken
> to
> > > > stop the 9/11 plot, given the information we know the US government
> > > > possessed regarding the plans for a terror attack on the US, who
> might
> > > carry
> > > > out such an attack, and that use of commercial aircraft as terror
> weapons
> > > > was known prior to 9/11 as a likely method.  Bush administration
> national
> > > > security advisor Condoleeza Rice was either woefully uninformed,
> which I
> > > > doubt given her intelligence, or engaging in "spin" propaganda to
> hide
> > > the
> > > > tracks of Bush administration failures regarding the 9/11 attacks,
> when
> > > she
> > > > made the statements quoted from the second website below:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO405E.html
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------
> > > >
> > >
> http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?the_post-9/11_world=denials&timeline=complete_911_timeline
> > > >
> > > > >From website immediately above:
> > > >  May 16, 2002: Nobody Predicted 9/11-Style Attacks, Says Condoleezza
> > > > Rice<
> > > http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a051602rice#a051602rice
> >
> > > > [image: Edit event]<
> > >
> http://www.historycommons.org/eventedit.jsp?oid=1626004942-36209&drafts=null&timeline=complete_911_timeline
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [image: National Security Adviser Rice tries to explain what Bush
> knew
> > > and
> > > > when in her May 16, 2002 press conference.]National Security Adviser
> Rice
> > > > tries to explain what Bush knew and when in her May 16, 2002 press
> > > > conference. *[Source: CNN]*National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice
> > > > states, “I don’t think anybody could have predicted that these people
> > > would
> > > > take an airplane and slam it into the World Trade Center, take
> another
> > > one
> > > > and slam it into the Pentagon, that they would try to use an airplane
> as
> > > a
> > > > missile,” adding that “even in retrospect” there was “nothing” to
> suggest
> > > > that. [White House,
> > > > 5/16/2002<
> > >
> http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2002/05/20020516-13.html
> > > >
> > > > ] Contradicting Rice’s claims, former CIA Deputy Director John Gannon
> > > > acknowledges that such a scenario has long been taken seriously by US
> > > > intelligence: “If you ask anybody could terrorists convert a plane
> into a
> > > > missile? [N]obody would have ruled that out.” Rice also states, “The
> > > > overwhelming bulk of the evidence was that this was an attack that
> was
> > > > likely to take place overseas.” [MSNBC, 5/17/2002] Slate awards Rice
> the
> > > > “Whopper of the Week” when the title of Bush’s August 6 briefing is
> > > > revealed: “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US.” [Slate,
> > > > 5/23/2002<http://slate.msn.com/?id=2066154>
> > > > ] Rice later will concede that “somebody did imagine it” but will say
> she
> > > > did not know about such intelligence until well after this
> conference.
> > > > [Associated
> > > > Press, 9/21/2002]
> > > > ------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett
> > >  > On 3/14/10, Paul Rumelhart <godshatter at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Trust, once lost, takes a lot of work to get back.  When you have
> the
> > > U.S.
> > > > > government arming Osama and the CIA enabling drug trafficking for
> the
> > > > > Contras, it's not a big stretch to wonder if they had any
> involvement
> > > in
> > > > > 9/11.  There are enough strange things surrounding 9/11 that I
> would
> > > not be
> > > > > surprised to find the government was involved.
> > > > >
> > > > > The reason I obey traffic laws has more to do with safety than
> trust of
> > > the
> > > > > government.  Generally, the system works well enough that you can
> at
> > > least
> > > > > have some faith in a contract, and some hope the police will
> respond if
> > > you
> > > > > call them.  I wouldn't want to be the guy that happened across some
> > > > > confidential documents or saw the wrong thing go down at the wrong
> > > time,
> > > > > though.
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul
> > > > >
> > > > > Wayne Price wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Ted, et al,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> One has to ask, or at least I do, why would people put any faith
> in
> > > these
> > > > >> wild stories?  While, I don't agree with 9/11 being an inside job,
> > > there is
> > > > >> a general distrust of ALL levels of government that just
> > > > >> feed  into things like this. And not just on the national level,
> but
> > > more
> > > > >> importantly at the local levels as well. For instance, does anyone
> > > living in
> > > > >> Northern Idaho really think the "boys in Boise"  even care about
> North
> > > > >> Idaho?
> > > > >> If they feel that way, why? Does anyone trust an employment
> contract
> > > or
> > > > >> retirement contract with the U of I? If not, why? Can you trust
> that
> > > the
> > > > >> speed limits on our county roads are legitimate? If not, why?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Distrust of "government",once it starts, is hard to turn around
> and I
> > > > >> believe that in America, we have a long long way to go.
> Perceptions,
> > > good or
> > > > >> bad are real, even though they may not be true. And it is in the
> light
> > > of
> > > > >> those perceptions  that people live, not in light of the truth or
> > > falsity of
> > > > >> an issue.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > >
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >  > >> On Mar 13, 2010, at 4:42 PM, Ted Moffett wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> There are a lot of "conservatives" who believe in a government
> > > cover-up
> > > > >>> regarding the facts of 9/11.
> > > > >>>  There is a radio show that has a large following that has been
> on
> > > the
> > > > >>> air for years, that I have listened to numerous times on
> shortwave,
> > > that is
> > > > >>> very political but in some ways hard to stereotype.  I suppose
> you
> > > could
> > > > >>> call it hard core libertarian (they passionately promoted Ron
> Paul's
> > > > >>> presidential bid), which means that it is very distrustful of
> > > government in
> > > > >>> a consistent aggressive way that many traditional "mainstream"
> > > conservatives
> > > > >>> are not.  Anti-abortion views are expressed, which fits the
> current
> > > > >>> Republican agenda, but there are two issues that have received a
> lot
> > > of air
> > > > >>> time where the show has argued for government cover-ups, Gulf War
> > > Syndrome
> > > > >>> among vets, and 9/11.  This show aggressively attacked the Bush
> > > > >>> administration, and is doing the same to Obama's.  Main website
> for
> > > this
> > > > >>> radio show:
> > > > >>>  http://www.thepowerhour.com/
> > > > >>>  ---------------------------------------------
> > > > >>> The following documentary described at the website below,
> promoted by
> > > > >>> "The Power Hour," pulls no punches regarding what it claims was
> "a
> > > massive
> > > > >>> cover-up" regarding 9/11:
> > > > >>>  http://www.thepowermall.com/
> > > > >>>  *911 In Plane Site
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> *New* "The Directors Cut" *with *"More Footage - More Photographs
> -
> > > More
> > > > >>> Evidence" *
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> *PRODUCER: Dave vonKleist*
> > > > >>> DIRECTOR: William Lewis
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Due to the overwhelming response of "911 In Plane Site," we were
> able
> > > to
> > > > >>> collect mountains of new footage and photographs from sources all
> > > over the
> > > > >>> world. We can now say, without a shadow of doubt, that we have
> > > undeniable
> > > > >>> evidence of a massive cover-up. From the 16 ft. hole in the outer
> > > walls of
> > > > >>> the Pentagon to the news reports of bombs, explosions and
> potential
> > > > >>> demolition of World Trade Centers 1, 2 and 7, to the strange
> > > attachment on
> > > > >>> the bottom of Flight 175 and the mysterious flashes caught on
> > > videotape by
> > > > >>> at least five separate sources, it is clear - 911 was an inside
> job.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> From Dave vonKleist, co-host of The Power Hour radio program and
> > > > >>> writer/producer of the album "Will Someone Listen" & William
> Lewis,
> > > producer
> > > > >>> of "American Freedom News", "TruNews" and producer/writer of the
> > > album
> > > > >>> "Police State" comes a full length documentary exposing one of
> the
> > > largest
> > > > >>> conspiracies ever uncovered. With the pounding force of a
> > > sledgehammer you
> > > > >>> will find yourself horrified and astonished at the shear scope of
> the
> > > > >>> largest transgressions ever carried out against the people of the
> > > United
> > > > >>> States and indeed... of the entire world.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> ------------------------------------------
> > > > >>> Vision2020 Post: Ted Moffett
> > > > >>> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Gier, Nicholas <
> NGIER at uidaho.edu
> > > <mailto:
> > > > >>> NGIER at uidaho.edu>> wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>    Greetings:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>    The Tea Party candidate in the three-way primary for Texas
> > > > >>>    governor said to Glenn Beck that she was still looking at the
> > > > >>>    evidence for a 9-11 cover-up.  Beck's response was something
> like
> > > > >>>    "We'd better look at another candidate!"  Yes the Tea Party
> > > > >>>    people include not only "birthers" but "truthers."
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>    Nick Gier
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>    -----Original Message-----
> > > > >>>    From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> > > > >>>    <mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com> on behalf of Garrett
> > > Clevenger
> > > > >>>    Sent: Fri 3/12/2010 11:36 AM
> > >  > >>>    To: vision2020 at moscow.com <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>
> > > > >>>    Subject: Re: [Vision2020] teabaggers
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>    "I have yet to see you, Tom, Nick or Wayne comment on those
> left
> > > > >>>    wingers
> > > > >>>    that think that 9/11 was an inside job of the Bush
> > > Administration."
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>    I don't think only some left-wingers believe that.  Some
> > > > >>>    far-righters think there is a greater conspiracy relating to
> > > > >>>    that, too.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>    I don't think it's a stretch, though, to assume GWB used 911
> to
> > > > >>>    advance an agenda they had been planning on for a while (the
> > > > >>>    PATRIOT act, invading Iraq, etc)
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>    That makes GWB look suspicious, especially considering some of
> > > > >>>    the discrepancies surrounding the 911 commission, which Bush
> > > > >>>    initially was against.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>    It's also suspicious that that Bush and Cheney both refused to
> > > > >>>    testify under oath to the 911 commission.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>    Until someone looks at the arguments the 911 truthers are
> > > > >>>    conveying (and there is lots of interesting arguments in their
> > > > >>>    favor) you probably shouldn't be condemning what they say.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>    I have no idea what the truth is, but I do know that powerful
> > > > >>>    people are in control and do despicable things to advance
> their
> > > > >>>    power, whether thats an islamofacist or whoever...
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>    Garrett Clevenger
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
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