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[Wayne Price]

Garrett,

You actually hit on several of the key points about the conflagration  
over in Iraq.  THE one big item that has never been determined, and  
you hit on it is: "success on that battlefield".
What is the end state supposed to be? What is success in Iraq?  What  
is victory?   And if we don't know what that is, WHY are we still there?

One of the primary things I was taught at both the Army Command and  
General Staff College and the Marine Corps Command and Staff College  
is, BEFORE you take action, what is the mission?
If the mission was to toss out Sadam, we accomplished that, time to  
come home. If the mission was an elected government in Iraq, we  
accomplished that, time to come home.

We are bleeding in Iraq, not in tremendous amounts of blood, but  
economically.  If you take a look at all the money that we, the tax  
payers have spent in Iraq after either one of the two key events
listed above, think of what that could have accomplished in the US!   
Would have more than rebuilt all the schools in the US. Would have   
rebuilt the failing infrastructure of roads and bridges.
Would have paid for a universal health care system.

One of THE key failures for both Iraq and Afghanistan is that we, as a  
nation DID NOT go to war. The military/industrial complex went to war  
at the expense of the people, and are economically
benefiting from it.

Have you seen any government program for "war bonds" for Iraq or  
Afghanistan? Nope
is the nation involved in the conflict or is it just the military  
industrial complex?
Have you seen the manufacturers geared up for war production or is the  
military sucking hind tit for equipment?
Have you seen the entire population involved with and/or supporting  
the conflict?
Who ever heard of a nation going into a recession/depression during a  
war that is being conducted properly?


And WAR, real war is (or should be) THE last option, but by God, when  
a NATION goes to war, it goes to war and doesn't pussy foot around.   
It's up to the readers to decide if we have gone to war, or
what this thing is we've been stuck with.

Just some thoughts








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On Mar 17, 2010, at 10:53 PM, Garrett Clevenger wrote:

> Matt asks:
>
> "how Bush/Obama or whomever can ensure success on a battlefield?  
> Aren't all battles a gamble, thus the last option? I don't feel Iraq  
> was a total failure but one we should have not involved ourselves  
> with."
>
>
> I think the answer to your second question helps answer your first.   
> The Iraq war was not the last option.  We were not being attacked.   
> They were not behind 911.  It turns out they probably didn't have  
> wmds either.
>
> We did not need to invade Iraq, especially considering Afghanastan  
> was being neglected.
>
> The whole war was based on false pretenses.  Those who challenged  
> that were ridiculed. But the facts were apparent even to those  
> living over there having bombs dropped on their heads.
>
> Don't you think it is normal for them to resent a country that  
> propped up Saddam, left them hanging during the 90's and then came  
> back, taking control of the oil fields before Baghdad?
>
> Don't you think they saw the war machine gearing up under sketchy  
> circumstances?
>
> Don't you think having a loved one killed by a US soldier is going  
> to piss them off?
>
> Don't you think they heard the religious rhetoric coming from the US  
> military and government?
>
> Why would they trust American power?
>
> Why would they all of a sudden get along with each other?
>
> Shock and aweing another people is not the best way to get them to  
> like you. From the beginning there were mulitiple reasons why an  
> insurgency would develop which would thwart any success.
>
> As soon as you call your war "Infinite Justice" and name your  
> weapons "hellfire" missles, you are going to shake the religious  
> hornets nest.
>
> You can't beat that. Fanaticism turns people into suicide bombers.   
> They will always be a threat.
>
> I think you have to walk in the shoes of the people you are  
> fighting.  Until you understand their motives for hating you, you  
> won't have any option but to keep fighting.  And you can't kill them  
> all without causing too much damage (death and destruction) that in  
> itself feeds the flame of resentment.
>
> I don't think we can make people over there get along. If they don't  
> have a common enemy to hate (the US) they are probably going to keep  
> killing each other based on their historical grievences, competition  
> or just to survive.
>
> Saddam kept a lid on the violence that erupted.
>
> The question is how long, how much blood and how much money are  
> going to be on our hands until we realized realistically there isn't  
> going to be success on that battlefield?
>
> Call me pessimistic, but I don't have much hope for humanity over  
> there. Human emotions are raw from lack of love and nourishment.   
> Their bodies and souls are sick. Feeding that with violence will  
> only continue to make those people more unhealthy, and thus more  
> likely to resort to their animal natures.  I have no idea how to  
> solve that.
>
> Fortunately our own v2020 rivalries aren't at quite the temperature  
> as a sunni vs shiite.
>
> But to answer your question, you can't have success on the  
> battlefield if the war your fighting is based on lies and the wrong  
> reason, which the Iraq war is.
>
> Thanks for requesting my opinion, however long winded and wrong it  
> may be...
>
> gclev
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