[Vision2020] Blahg Update
Joe Campbell
philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Mon Mar 15 23:07:08 PDT 2010
Didn't you just write this same thing?
On Mar 15, 2010, at 11:26 PM, "Gary Crabtree" <jampot at roadrunner.com>
wrote:
> My goodness. When it comes to "nasty disposition" I'm going to have
> to bow before your obvious expertise.
>
> I would however, like to see what you have to back up your assertion
> that Donovan, Schwaller, and whoever
> else you might happen to disagree with is in reality the dreaded Mr.
> Courtney. While you're at it, how about
> A little documentation on the perpetrator of the feces incident and
> the name and circumstances of the
> "political opponents" that "they" have had fired. I'm sure that what
> with your stellar reputation and all you
> wouldn't be making accusations that you couldn't document. After
> all, without proof your remarks would fall into
> the category Mrs. Mix was just wailing and gnashing her choppers
> over, dread speculation.
>
> Really enjoyed the uber subtle Hitler comparison though. can't go
> wrong with using a Nazi image when
> attempting to vilify those who make your mouth foam. It's so doggone
> effective, we'll have to see if it catches on.
>
>
> g
>
> From: Joe Campbell
> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 6:07 PM
> To: the lockshop
> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Blahg Update
>
> G,
>
> Stop with the lies.
>
> His religion has little to do with why I dislike I dislike him.
> After all, he has the same religion as me: Christian.
>
> It has more to do with his arrogance, his nasty disposition, his
> constant insults and misrepresentations of liberals and
> progressives, his pretending to be Donovan or Schwaller, and his
> relationship with a group that has ignored the city code and local
> laws, tried to get their politcal opponents fired, smeared feces
> inside and outside of the cars of friends of mine, etc.
>
> That's why their opponents come from a variety of religious
> backgrounds. That's why our anger is not directed at others who
> share the politics and religious beliefs of his group. Try to
> explain that. Why that group if it is based on prejudice?
>
> I'm pretty sure that Hitler would have been nice to you too and that
> fact would mean absolutely nothing to me either. I'll be nice to you
> too -- once you stop trying to wreck my reputation with your lies!
> Really that's it. I don't give a damn about your beliefs or his.
>
> Not likely to happen soon, I imagine!
>
> Best, Joe
>
> On Mar 15, 2010, at 8:19 PM, "the lockshop"
> <lockshop at pull.twcbc.com> wrote:
>
>> 1. The first time I met Dale, he did the "I can't be him, no comb
>> over" schtick. I laughed, he laughed and we went on from there to
>> have a fairly agreeable conversation.
>>
>> 2. If someone, who was a charter member of a group that was
>> blatantly hostile to me and mine (as the "intolerista" clan proudly
>> proclaims) approached me in public while I was with clients/friends/
>> family etc. I can tell you right now I would be less than
>> enthusiastic to break away and engage the interloper in what would
>> likely be a less than pleasant dialog. If that person started
>> carrying on about her hatred for me and sobbed for some sort of
>> absolution I would be desparately swiveling my head around in a
>> paniced search for the guys in white coats with butterfly nets.
>>
>> 3. People speculate about public figures all the time and in many
>> different forums. I seem to recall quite a bit of speculation on
>> this particular list with regard to various city council members,
>> congressmen, presidential candidates, and religious leaders without
>> the same outpouring of faux concern.
>>
>> To sum this up, I've known Dale for a few years now and find him
>> to be a pleasent fellow who, if you don't start off by jabbing him
>> with a pointy, poo encrusted stick, will carry on a lively
>> conversation as his time permits. Trying to cast him as some sort
>> of an evil ogre because you dislike his religion, his pastor, and
>> his politics is cheap theatrics and nothing more.
>>
>> g
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: keely emerinemix
>> To: Tom Hansen
>> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 11:15 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Blahg Update
>>
>> Before I start, let me express my relief that Shirley Ringo is not
>> undergoing any kind of health crisis at all, period, and that
>> she'll be running for re-election. I'm very fond of Shirley and I
>> think she's done a great job for Latah County.
>>
>> Second, I'd also like to express my disgust at Courtney's tactics
>> in tossing about a rumor like this -- parsing words and managing to
>> continue the snarkiness by generously reminding all of us that only
>> her filing will put to rest the speculation. Shirley has a filing
>> deadline that I'm confident she'll meet; the "speculation" is
>> likely generated and definitely furthered by Courtney, period. She
>> owes him nothing other than the basic decency he is unwilling
>> to show her. I have tried to show the same decency and courtesy to
>> Dale, as one of the examples will demonstrate painfully. But he
>> won't take my calls, and he's blocked me from his email and his
>> blog. Now, I know that Dale may have Idaho's Most Popular
>> Political Blog, and that does not make him a journalist, someone
>> who, as a professional, would have simply checked with Shirley
>> before printing, in his Most Popular Blog, a rumor that is as
>> callous in regard to her health as it is mean-spirited at the
>> prospect of her political career.
>>
>> So with that in mind, I'll share three examples of bad behavior on
>> his part, directed at me and indicative, I think, of a spirit of
>> gross unkindness, disingenuousness, and a lack of character I've
>> rarely seen on the part of any adult of my acquaintance:
>>
>> 1. Shortly after Sister's Brew opened up three years ago this
>> spring, I ran into Dale with a group of his students. I greeted
>> him by name, only to have him say, in front of kids who knew that
>> he was Mr. Courtney, "I'm not Dale. I don't have a comb-over,
>> see?" This was in reference to Tom Hansen's having called him
>> "Comb-Over." For the record, one of Dale's faults is not that he
>> combs his hair over a bald spot. In fact, he has a full head of
>> hair. It covers a curious mental process that would allow him to
>> continue to deny -- in answer to a simple "Hi, Dale!" -- that he
>> was who we all knew him to be.
>>
>> 2. Over the past few years, Dale has occasionally -- once, I
>> think, would be too much -- referred to my being angry with
>> him about something as "Keely got her panties in a wad." Finally,
>> my husband emailed him to tell him to stop, because it's
>> disrespectful and entirely inappropriate for a man to say about a
>> woman. The back-and-forth that followed consisted of Jeff's
>> telling Dale to knock it off, and Dale's condescending insistence
>> that grammarians and rhetoricists would all agree that in an idiom
>> like "Keely got her panties in a wad," the subject of the idiomatic
>> referent was never actually, truly, a direct, personal reference to
>> that person herself and so there was no reason to get upset . . or
>> is it that the rhetorical allusion is symbolic and thus never
>> literal, which makes it stupid of me to be offended? True, he
>> finally agreed to stop, only because Jeff, as my husband, had asked
>> him to and only after arguing that it was Jeff's problem for not
>> understanding the fine points of rhetoric. I think "head-spinning
>> weaselry" covers it.
>>
>> 3. This last one made me cry. It happened about two years ago at
>> a concert at the NuArt; the artist was Christian balladeer Don
>> Francisco. I had been feeling bad about how close to hatred my
>> feelings for Dale were becoming, and after repenting to the Lord, I
>> sought forgiveness from Dale -- face to face, preferably, which is
>> how I do these things, or by phone or email -- not possible,
>> because he won't pick up my calls and has blocked me from his blog
>> (he acknowledged that Jeff, in the example above, had managed to
>> catch his email on a down day). Anyway, I saw Dale at the show,
>> during intermission, and I went up to him and said that I was
>> beginning to feel as though I hated him, that it was wrong -- a
>> sin, not because it offended my standards, but because it offended
>> God's -- and that I would like him, please, to forgive me. Dale's
>> response? He started the "I'm not Dale, I don't have a comb-over"
>> thing, retreated, and then unleashed the "all of you Intoleristas
>> are obnoxious" thing. I kinda begged him to just hear my
>> apologies, and I remember this well: One, I was in tears, first at
>> my own shame, and then at his obstinance; two, I was determined to
>> not, myself, go the "OK, I'm sorry, but YOU did . . . "
>> route. This one was about how I had sinned by starting to hate
>> him. But I left knowing that the aftermath was all, very sadly,
>> about him. I find that tragic. And, for all it's worth, I don't
>> hate Dale at all and haven't since. I pity him, and I hope to heap
>> coals on his head, as the Bible says, to foster his repentance.
>>
>> There have been things that Dale has attributed to me that I've
>> never said, and he's certainly been less than charitable in his
>> dealings with me since. I think his judgment is sorely lacking,
>> his maturity riddled with contempt for others, and his character
>> not in keeping with the Bible's standards for eldership. There's
>> nothing I've said here that I wouldn't gladly say to him; I think
>> it's clear that I've tried. His treatment of Shirley Ringo is
>> awful.
>>
>> Keely
>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>>
>> Keely
>> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 09:09:40 -0700
>> > Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Blahg Update
>> > From: thansen at moscow.com
>> > To: kjajmix1 at msn.com
>> > CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> >
>> > Keely kindly communicates:
>> >
>> > "Let me know if you need any facts to back up any rumors that
>> Dale is
>> > weasel-like in his dealings."
>> >
>> > You're on.
>> >
>> > Seeya at the Intolerista get-together April 10th, Keely.
>> >
>> > Tom Hansen
>> > Moscow, Idaho
>> >
>> > >
>> > > And, you know, that's the calling of a true, Christian elder:
>> reporting
>> > > on gossip, rumor, and lies, particularly when they can do
>> damage to a
>> > > political enemy's re-election.
>> > >
>> > > Let me know if you need any facts to back up any rumors that
>> Dale is
>> > > weasel-like in his dealings.
>> > >
>> > > Keely
>> > > www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:42:10 -0700
>> > >> From: thansen at moscow.com
>> > >> To: vision2020 at moscow.com
>> > >> Subject: [Vision2020] Blahg Update
>> > >>
>> > >> Courtesy of Dale Courtney's blahg at:
>> > >>
>> > >> http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2010/03/15/72722.aspx
>> > >>
>> > >> ----------------------------------------------------
>> > >>
>> > >> The following is from Idaho District 6 liberal Democrat, Rep.
>> Shirley
>> > >> Ringo:
>> > >>
>> > >> - - - - -
>> > >>
>> > >> Visionaries:
>> > >>
>> > >> I note that Dale Courtney posted information in his blog
>> indicating
>> > >> that I would not be running for re-election to the legislature
>> due to
>> > >> health reasons.
>> > >>
>> > >> Starting last October, I had a series of surgical procedures to
>> > >> improve circulation in my legs. The procedures were
>> successful. I
>> > >> have no lingering health problems that would keep me from
>> > >> participating fully in the legislative process.
>> > >>
>> > >> I will file for re-election - the deadline is Friday, March 19.
>> > >> Bill
>> > >> Spence, reporter for the Lewiston Tribune, mentioned my plans
>> to run
>> > >> in a recent news article.
>> > >>
>> > >> I do not have, and have not confided any secret, strategic
>> plans to
>> > >> anyone - not even to Dale Courtney.
>> > >>
>> > >> Shirley Ringo
>> > >>
>> > >> - - - - -
>> > >>
>> > >> For the record, I never said that Shirley Ringo told me she
>> wasn’t
>> > >> running. I said that it was a rumor.
>> > >>
>> > >> I’ve heard rumors to the effect that Shirley Ringo is not goi
>> ng to
>> > >> run
>> > >> again because of health reasons. But that Judy Brown will file
>> at the
>> > >> last minute to take her seat. That will keep the Republicans
>> from
>> > >> putting anyone up to challenge Brown.
>> > >>
>> > >> The rumor will be nixed when she actually files.
>> > >>
>> > >> ----------------------------------------------------
>> > >>
>> > >> We here at the Vizz are looking forward to your retraction,
>> dale.
>> > >> Although, judging by your "track record", it isn't
>> anticipated, since
>> > >> rumor has it that you are an immature weasel whose word is no
>> better
>> > >> than
>> > >> the unsubstantiated garbage that you report in your blahg.
>> But, then
>> > >> again, that is only rumor.
>> > >>
>> > >> Seeya round town, Moscow.
>> > >>
>> > >> Tom Hansen
>> > >> Moscow, Idaho
>> > >>
>> > >> "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects
>> it to
>> > >> change
>> > >> and the Realist adjusts his sails."
>> > >>
>> > >> - Unknown
>> > >>
>> > >>
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