<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Didn't you just write this same thing?<br><br><br></div><div><br>On Mar 15, 2010, at 11:26 PM, "Gary Crabtree" <<a href="mailto:jampot@roadrunner.com">jampot@roadrunner.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div><font face="Calibri">My goodness. When it comes to "nasty disposition" I'm
going to have to bow before your obvious expertise.</font></div>
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<div><font face="Calibri">I would however, like to see what you have to back up
your assertion that Donovan, Schwaller</font><font face="Calibri">, and
whoever</font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri">else you might happen to disagree with is in reality the
dreaded Mr. Courtney. While you're at it, how about</font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri">A little documentation on the perpetrator of the feces
incident and the name and circumstances of the</font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri">"political opponents" that "they" have had
fired. I'm sure that what with your stellar reputation </font><font face="Calibri">and all you</font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri">wouldn't be making accusations that you couldn't
document. After all, without proof your remarks would fall into</font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri">the category Mrs. Mix was just wailing and gnashing
her choppers over, dread speculation.</font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Calibri">Really enjoyed the uber subtle Hitler comparison
though. can't go wrong with using a Nazi image when</font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri">attempting to vilify those who make your mouth foam.
It's so doggone effective, we'll have to see if it catches on.</font></div>
<div><font face="Calibri"></font> </div>
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<div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a title="philosopher.joe@gmail.com" href="mailto:philosopher.joe@gmail.com">Joe Campbell</a> </div>
<div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 15, 2010 6:07 PM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="lockshop@pull.twcbc.com" href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com">the lockshop</a> </div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="vision2020@moscow.com" href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a> </div>
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<div>G,</div>
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<div>Stop with the lies. </div>
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<div>His religion has little to do with why I dislike I dislike him. After all,
he has the same religion as me: Christian. </div>
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<div>It has more to do with his arrogance, his nasty disposition, his constant
insults and misrepresentations of liberals and progressives, his pretending to
be Donovan or Schwaller, and his relationship with a group that has ignored the
city code and local laws, tried to get their politcal opponents fired, smeared
feces inside and outside of the cars of friends of mine, etc. </div>
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<div>That's why their opponents come from a variety of religious backgrounds.
That's why our anger is not directed at others who share the politics and
religious beliefs of his group. Try to explain that. Why that group if it is
based on prejudice? </div>
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<div>I'm pretty sure that Hitler would have been nice to you too and that fact
would mean absolutely nothing to me either. I'll be nice to you too -- once you
stop trying to wreck my reputation with your lies! Really that's it. I don't
give a damn about your beliefs or his. </div>
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<div>Not likely to happen soon, I imagine!</div>
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<div>Best, Joe </div>
<div><br>On Mar 15, 2010, at 8:19 PM, "the lockshop" <<a href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com"><a href="mailto:lockshop@pull.twcbc.com">lockshop@pull.twcbc.com</a></a>>
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<div><font face="Arial">1. The first time I met Dale, he did the "I can't be
him, no comb over" schtick. I laughed, he laughed and we went on from
there to have a fairly agreeable conversation.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">2. If someone, who was a charter member of a group
that was blatantly hostile to me and mine (as the "intolerista" clan
proudly proclaims) approached me in public while I was with
clients/friends/family etc. I can tell you right now I would be less than
enthusiastic to break away and engage the interloper in what would likely be a
less than pleasant dialog. If that person started carrying on about her hatred
for me and sobbed for some sort of absolution I would be desparately swiveling
my head around in a paniced search for the guys in white coats with butterfly
nets.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">3. People speculate about public figures all the time
and in many different forums. I seem to recall quite a bit of speculation on
this particular list with regard to various city council members, congressmen,
presidential candidates, and religious leaders without the same
outpouring of faux concern.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial"></font> </div>
<div><font face="Arial">To sum this up, I've known Dale for a few years now and
find him to be a pleasent fellow who, if you don't start off by jabbing him
with a pointy, poo encrusted stick, will carry on a lively
conversation as his time permits. Trying to cast him as some sort of an evil
ogre because you dislike his religion, his pastor, and his politics is
cheap theatrics and nothing more.</font></div>
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emerinemix</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 10pt arial"><b>To:</b> <a title="thansen@moscow.com" href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">Tom Hansen</a> </div>
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Before I start, let me express my relief that Shirley Ringo is not
undergoing any kind of health crisis at all, period, and that she'll be
running for re-election. I'm very fond of Shirley and I think she's
done a great job for Latah County.<br><br>Second, I'd also like to express
my disgust at Courtney's tactics in tossing about a rumor like this --
parsing words and managing to continue the snarkiness by generously
reminding all of us that only her filing will put to rest the
speculation. Shirley has a filing deadline that I'm confident she'll
meet; the "speculation" is likely generated and definitely furthered by
Courtney, period. She owes him nothing other than the basic decency he
is unwilling to show her. I have tried to show the same decency and
courtesy to Dale, as one of the examples will demonstrate painfully.
But he won't take my calls, and he's blocked me from his email and his
blog. Now, I know that Dale may have Idaho's Most Popular Political
Blog, and that does not make him a journalist, someone who, as a
professional, would have simply checked with Shirley before printing, in his
Most Popular Blog, a rumor that is as callous in regard to her health as it
is mean-spirited at the prospect of her political career.<br><br>So with
that in mind, I'll share three examples of bad behavior on his part,
directed at me and indicative, I think, of a spirit of gross unkindness,
disingenuousness, and a lack of character I've rarely seen on the part of
any adult of my acquaintance:<br><br>1. Shortly after Sister's Brew
opened up three years ago this spring, I ran into Dale with a group of his
students. I greeted him by name, only to have him say, in front of
kids who knew that he was Mr. Courtney, "I'm not Dale. I don't have a
comb-over, see?" This was in reference to Tom Hansen's having called
him "Comb-Over." For the record, one of Dale's faults is not that he
combs his hair over a bald spot. In fact, he has a full head of
hair. It covers a curious mental process that would allow him to
continue to deny -- in answer to a simple "Hi, Dale!" -- that he was who we
all knew him to be.<br><br>2. Over the past few years, Dale has
occasionally -- once, I think, would be too much -- referred to my being
angry with him about something as "Keely got her panties in a wad."
Finally, my husband emailed him to tell him to stop, because it's
disrespectful and entirely inappropriate for a man to say about a
woman. The back-and-forth that followed consisted of Jeff's telling
Dale to knock it off, and Dale's condescending insistence that grammarians
and rhetoricists would all agree that in an idiom like "Keely got her
panties in a wad," the subject of the idiomatic referent was never actually,
truly, a direct, personal reference to that person herself and so there was
no reason to get upset . . or is it that the rhetorical allusion is symbolic
and thus never literal, which makes it stupid of me to be offended?
True, he finally agreed to stop, only because Jeff, as my husband, had asked
him to and only after arguing that it was Jeff's problem for not
understanding the fine points of rhetoric. I think "head-spinning
weaselry" covers it.<br><br>3. This last one made me cry. It
happened about two years ago at a concert at the NuArt; the artist was
Christian balladeer Don Francisco. I had been feeling bad about how
close to hatred my feelings for Dale were becoming, and after repenting to
the Lord, I sought forgiveness from Dale -- face to face, preferably, which
is how I do these things, or by phone or email -- not possible, because he
won't pick up my calls and has blocked me from his blog (he acknowledged
that Jeff, in the example above, had managed to catch his email on a down
day). Anyway, I saw Dale at the show, during intermission, and I went
up to him and said that I was beginning to feel as though I hated him, that
it was wrong -- a sin, not because it offended my standards, but because it
offended God's -- and that I would like him, please, to forgive me.
Dale's response? He started the "I'm not Dale, I don't have a
comb-over" thing, retreated, and then unleashed the "all of you Intoleristas
are obnoxious" thing. I kinda begged him to just hear my apologies,
and I remember this well: One, I was in tears, first at my own shame,
and then at his obstinance; two, I was determined to not, myself, go the
"OK, I'm sorry, but YOU did . . . " route. This one was about
how I had sinned by starting to hate him. But I left knowing that the
aftermath was all, very sadly, about him. I find that tragic.
And, for all it's worth, I don't hate Dale at all and haven't since. I
pity him, and I hope to heap coals on his head, as the Bible says, to foster
his repentance. <br><br>There have been things that Dale has
attributed to me that I've never said, and he's certainly been less than
charitable in his dealings with me since. I think his judgment is
sorely lacking, his maturity riddled with contempt for others, and his
character not in keeping with the Bible's standards for eldership.
There's nothing I've said here that I wouldn't gladly say to him; I think
it's clear that I've tried. His treatment of Shirley Ringo is
awful. <br><br>Keely<br><a href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com"><a href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com">www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</a></a><br><br><font color="#8064a2"><font style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt" size="3"><font face="Verdana">Keely<br><a href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com">www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</a><br></font></font></font><br><br><br><br>>
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 09:09:40 -0700<br>> Subject: RE: [Vision2020]
Blahg Update<br>> From: <a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a></a><br>> To:
<a href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com"><a href="mailto:kjajmix1@msn.com">kjajmix1@msn.com</a></a><br>> CC: <a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a><br>> <br>> Keely
kindly communicates:<br>> <br>> "Let me know if you need any facts to
back up any rumors that Dale is<br>> weasel-like in his
dealings."<br>> <br>> You're on.<br>> <br>> Seeya at the
Intolerista get-together April 10th, Keely.<br>> <br>> Tom
Hansen<br>> Moscow, Idaho<br>> <br>> ><br>> > And, you
know, that's the calling of a true, Christian elder: reporting<br>> >
on gossip, rumor, and lies, particularly when they can do damage to
a<br>> > political enemy's re-election.<br>> ><br>> > Let
me know if you need any facts to back up any rumors that Dale is<br>>
> weasel-like in his dealings.<br>> ><br>> > Keely<br>>
> <a href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com"><a href="http://www.keely-prevailingwinds.com">www.keely-prevailingwinds.com</a></a><br>> ><br>> ><br>>
><br>> ><br>> >> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:42:10
-0700<br>> >> From: <a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:thansen@moscow.com">thansen@moscow.com</a></a><br>> >> To:
<a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com"><a href="mailto:vision2020@moscow.com">vision2020@moscow.com</a></a><br>> >> Subject: [Vision2020] Blahg
Update<br>> >><br>> >> Courtesy of Dale Courtney's blahg
at:<br>> >><br>> >>
<a href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2010/03/15/72722.aspx"><a href="http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2010/03/15/72722.aspx">http://right-mind.us/blogs/blog_0/archive/2010/03/15/72722.aspx</a></a><br>>
>><br>> >>
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>><br>> >> The following is from Idaho District 6 liberal
Democrat, Rep. Shirley<br>> >> Ringo:<br>> >><br>>
>> - - - - -<br>> >><br>> >> Visionaries:<br>>
>><br>> >> I note that Dale Courtney posted information in
his blog indicating<br>> >> that I would not be running for
re-election to the legislature due to<br>> >> health
reasons.<br>> >><br>> >> Starting last October, I had a
series of surgical procedures to<br>> >> improve circulation in my
legs. The procedures were successful. I<br>> >> have no lingering
health problems that would keep me from<br>> >> participating fully
in the legislative process.<br>> >><br>> >> I will file
for re-election - the deadline is Friday, March 19.<br>> >>
Bill<br>> >> Spence, reporter for the Lewiston Tribune, mentioned
my plans to run<br>> >> in a recent news article.<br>>
>><br>> >> I do not have, and have not confided any secret,
strategic plans to<br>> >> anyone - not even to Dale
Courtney.<br>> >><br>> >> Shirley Ringo<br>>
>><br>> >> - - - - -<br>> >><br>> >> For
the record, I never said that Shirley Ringo told me she wasn’t<br>>
>> running. I said that it was a rumor.<br>> >><br>>
>> I’ve heard rumors to the effect that Shirley Ringo is not going
to<br>> >> run<br>> >> again because of health reasons.
But that Judy Brown will file at the<br>> >> last minute to take
her seat. That will keep the Republicans from<br>> >> putting
anyone up to challenge Brown.<br>> >><br>> >> The rumor
will be nixed when she actually files.<br>> >><br>> >>
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>><br>> >> We here at the Vizz are looking forward to your
retraction, dale.<br>> >> Although, judging by your "track record",
it isn't anticipated, since<br>> >> rumor has it that you are an
immature weasel whose word is no better<br>> >> than<br>>
>> the unsubstantiated garbage that you report in your blahg. But,
then<br>> >> again, that is only rumor.<br>> >><br>>
>> Seeya round town, Moscow.<br>> >><br>> >> Tom
Hansen<br>> >> Moscow, Idaho<br>> >><br>> >> "The
Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to<br>>
>> change<br>> >> and the Realist adjusts his sails."<br>>
>><br>> >> - Unknown<br>> >><br>>
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