[Vision2020] Idaho Shame: Private Contractors, ICC, and CCA

Sat Mar 13 20:43:29 PST 2010

Gosh, Donovan, I can only assume you didn't bother to read the facts.  It
doesn't seem to me a lack of money is a significant  issue with ICC & CCA
but rather unacceptably poor management (which is a WASTE of money, our tax
dollars), a complete lack of accountability, hiring people not fit to work
with human beings, and dare I say, a complete disregard for humanity and the
responsibility of having any kind of control over any living being, to name
just a few.

It's too bad you choose to avoid offering any productive comment on a very
serious matter and instead choose to revert to your predictable obsession
with unprovoked attacks on lawyers as some kind of solution . . . 

Saundra

From: Donovan Arnold [mailto:donovanjarnold2008 at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 7:05 PM
To: Saundra Lund; Wayne Price
Cc: Vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Idaho Shame: Private Contractors, ICC, and CCA

Great points! Now how big of a check are you guys going to write to improve
Idaho's prison system? 

How about if we send lawyers in with their clients, split the sentence
10/90. That way lawyers will work harder to improve the conditions of
prisons and to get their client minimum time. : P 

Your Friend,

Donovan 

--- On Sat, 3/13/10, Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com> wrote:

From: Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Idaho Shame: Private Contractors, ICC, and CCA
To: "Saundra Lund" <v2020 at ssl.fastmail.fm>
Cc: Vision2020 at moscow.com
Date: Saturday, March 13, 2010, 7:56 PM

Saundra,

One of the critical issues we, as a society have to get our heads  
around is that the "punishment" is being sent to prison, not to go to  
a prison FOR punishment.
But, why should we?  We, collectively as a society don't care about  
prisoners, if we did, the conditions in OUR prisons would not be what  
they are today.

And as Orwell said, all pigs are created equal, some are more equal  
than others. A prisoner is a prisoner is a prisoner. BUT, we send some  
to country club prisons,
others we conduct extraordinary rendition with and send to countries  
at our own behest to be tortured, that is if we haven't tortured them  
ourselves.  So, can it really be
a shock that prison abuse occurs in Idaho too?

And then we get to who is responsible and who should be brought before  
the courts to explain and defend their actions that allowed this to  
happen.  The governor is
the head of the executive branch of government, which happens to be  
responsible for the prisons and condition of prisons that Idaho  
prisoners are sent to.
Do you really think that Butch is willing to stand up and defend his  
actions and the actions of those under him for the treatment of  
prisoners?  Hell, we had a president that
lied about torture, authorized torture and  what are the  
consequences?  NOTHING. And now we don't even trust our our justice  
system to finally give these people proper
federal trials. With those put in power, it seems to always be someone  
else's fault. And in a way, it is, it's our fault.

It all boils down to one thing, responsibility, OURS, and that can  
only be corrected at the ballot box, and not just at the national and  
state level, but also the local level.
IF you don't like the state of our local justice system, remember that  
on voting day! IF you don't like the direction and management of the  
University of Idaho, remember that
when the members of the Board of Regents come up for LOCAL elections.  
If you don't like what's happening in Boise, remember that on election  
day.

Vote accordingly.

On Mar 13, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Saundra Lund wrote:

> Visionaries:
>
> Based on previous comments, I'm well-aware that some here don't give  
> a rip
> about society's obligation to those we incarcerate.  So, those folks  
> may as
> well delete this post right now.
>
> For the rest of us, many/most are probably aware of widespread  
> abuses by
> PCS's (private security contractors) hired by the government (i.e.,
> Blackwater-cum-Xe; CACI, Titan, etc.).
>
> However, how many of were aware of gross abuses happening right here  
> in
> Idaho?
>
> Thursday, the ACLU "filed a class action federal lawsuit charging that
> officials at the Idaho Correctional Center (ICC) promote and  
> facilitate a
> culture of rampant violence that has led to carnage and suffering  
> among
> prisoners at the state-owned facility operated by the for-profit  
> company
> Corrections Corporation of America (CCA)."
>
> For those interested in learning what we-the-people of the State of  
> Idaho
> are calling "justice" right here at home, you can read more here:
>
http://www.aclu.org/prisoners-rights/aclu-lawsuit-charges-idaho-prison-offic
> ials-promote-rampant-violence
> OR
> http://tinyurl.com/ACLU-ICC-CCA
>
> And, if you have the stomach for it and want to understand . . .  
> *really*
> understand the role of for-profit CCA in this shame, please read the
> complaint itself:
>
http://www.aclu.org/files/assets/2010-3-11-Riggs-SecondAmendedComplaint.pdf
>
>
>
> Saundra Lund
> Moscow, ID
>
> The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people  
> to do
> nothing.
> ~ Edmund Burke
>
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