[Vision2020] Teabaggers
Joe Campbell
philosopher.joe at gmail.com
Fri Mar 12 07:46:55 PST 2010
Nothing sounds mote bigoted than a defense if slavery!
On Mar 12, 2010, at 9:53 AM, Donovan Arnold <donovanjarnold2008 at yahoo.com
> wrote:
> "Arnie believes that the Democrats were pro-segregation and the
> Republicans
> were anti-Vietnam back in the 60s and 70s." --Sgt. Hamster
>
>
> I suppose the following Democrats and laws were figments of my
> imagination or perhaps The Hamster believes the KKK was not a racist
> movement.
>
> Jim Crow Laws
> Senator Robert Byrd
> Hugo Black
> Senator Strom Thurmond
> Gov. George Corley Wallace, Jr.
> Senator Ernest Hollings
> Richard Russell, Jr.
> James Eastland
> John Stenni
> Jesse Helms
>
> Recently, Democrats have been better at not being bigoted toward
> Blacks, Gays, Women, and minorities. But that is only a general
> rule, not applicable in every case.
>
> Nixon and Ford ended the Vietnam War, both Republicans. JFK and
> Johnson escalated it. So indeed, the parties have switched positions
> since the 1960s. In fact, many people switched political parties
> after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 passed.
>
> Your Friend,
>
> Donovan Arnold
>
>
> --- On Thu, 3/11/10, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
>
> From: Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Teabaggers
> To: "Wayne Price" <bear at moscow.com>, "Moscow Vision 2020" <vision2020 at moscow.com
> >
> Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 10:06 PM
>
> Wayne -
>
> To put Arnie into appropriate perspective, here is one of his
> similarly
> profound quotes:
>
> "Both parties are completely different than they were in the 1960s and
> 1970s when Democrats were pro-segregation and Republicans were anti-
> war."
>
> - Donovan Arnold (March 5, 2010)
>
> http://mailman.fsr.com/pipermail/vision2020/2010-March/068911.html
>
> That's right, Wayne.
>
> Arnie believes that the Democrats were pro-segregation and the
> Republicans
> were anti-Vietnam back in the 60s and 70s.
>
> It's as if President Johnson's Civil Rights Act of 1964 and President
> Nixon's 1968 campaign promise that we would be out of Vietnam by the
> end
> of 1969 (followed five years later with his "Withdrawal With Honor"
> concept of 1974) never happened.
>
> Tom Hansen
> Moscow, Idaho
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Clearly Dr Donovan, you are correct and the Mount Vernon Society
> ( The
> > folks that OWN Mt. Vernon) are wrong. How could I have been so silly
> > to trust what they said and not you?
> >
> > http://www.mountvernon.org/learn/meet_george/index.cfm/ss/101/
> >
> >
> > "George Washington was born into a world in which slavery was
> > accepted. He became a slave owner when his father died in 1743. At
> the
> > age of eleven, he inherited ten slaves and 500 acres of land. When
> he
> > began farming Mount Vernon eleven years later, at the age of 22, he
> > had a work force of about 36 slaves. With his marriage to Martha
> > Custis in 1759, 20 of her slaves came to Mount Vernon. After their
> > marriage, Washington purchased even more slaves. The slave
> population
> > also increased because the slaves were marrying and raising their
> own
> > families. By 1799, when George Washington died, there were 316
> slaves
> > living on the estate."
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mar 11, 2010, at 1:28 PM, Donovan Arnold wrote:
> >
> >> Rev. Keely, nobody is defending slavery. Let me say it twice so
> even
> >> you understand, NOBODY is defending slavery. I was just explaining
> >> inaccuracies in his (Mr. Price's) posts about Thomas Jefferson
> >> sleeping with his slaves and George Washington being a large slave
> >> owner. They are factually incorrect statements.
> >>
> >>
> >> I forgot, accuracy of the facts was not a concern for you, just
> >> unfounded misguided displays of fake catty emotional outrage, Keely
> >> when slandering people on both the local and national level, living
> >> and dead.
> >>
> >> Your Friend,
> >>
> >> Donovan Arnold
> >>
> >> --- On Thu, 3/11/10, keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> From: keely emerinemix <kjajmix1 at msn.com>
> >> Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Teabaggers
> >> To: donovanjarnold2008 at yahoo.com, garrettmc at verizon.net, "Chris
> >> Price" <bear at moscow.com>
> >> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 3:37 PM
> >>
> >> This eloquent defense of slave-owning American Presidents is
> >> something less than heartening. It's almost as if we've heard
> >> similar arguments before from local folks interested in convincing
> >> us that, you know, on the whole, slavery wasn't, like, THAT bad,
> >> really.
> >>
> >> That George and Thomas are numbered among anti-slavery
> >> abolitionists, as appears to be the contention here, is as
> ludicrous
> >> as it is offensive. They may not have been the absolutely worst
> >> slaveholders ever, but I don't think either man's biographies are
> >> testimonies to their egalitarian, Christian, progressive morals.
> >>
> >> Keely
> >> www.keely-prevailingwinds.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 06:48:58 -0800
> >> From: donovanjarnold2008 at yahoo.com
> >> To: garrettmc at verizon.net; bear at moscow.com
> >> CC: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Teabaggers
> >>
> >> Wayne,
> >>
> >> The tea was tipped overboard not because most people drank it, but
> >> because it denied revenue to the British. The average colonists
> >> didn't want to be independent from the British, but they were not
> >> happy under them either.
> >>
> >> The British government prevented western expansion which seriously
> >> hindered the expansion of the economy and the well being of many
> >> western colonists and farmers.
> >>
> >> Thomas Jefferson bought slaves and freed them when they paid their
> >> price of purchase off. Many anti-slavery people did this.
> >>
> >> Thomas Jefferson did not sleep with his slaves, DNA tests from his
> >> know relatives prove this. His brother did sleep with Sally
> >> Hemmings, who was the half sister of his wife who passed away and
> >> looked a great deal like her. He cared for her greatly and she
> lived
> >> in his house because she was his wife's sister and didn't want her
> >> living as a common slave.
> >> George Washington had willed his slaves to be freed upon the death
> >> of his wife. Although she freed them earlier because she felt
> >> uncomfortable with all the slaves asking if she was dead yet (a
> >> little humor, but true). Little do people know, but George
> >> Washington did not own many slaves, his wife owned most them, she
> >> obtained from her previous husband, Daniel Parke Custis a wealthy
> >> plantation farmer, upon his death.
> >>
> >> Your Friend,
> >>
> >> Donovan Arnold
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Thu, 3/11/10, Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> From: Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Teabaggers
> >> To: "Garrett Clevenger" <garrettmc at verizon.net>
> >> Cc: vision2020 at moscow.com
> >> Date: Thursday, March 11, 2010, 12:52 AM
> >>
> >> Garrett,
> >>
> >> While the Tea Bag movement has hijacked the name, I'm not so sure
> >> they even realize what the 1770's movements were all about!
> >> The average colonist was happy being British!
> >>
> >> At that time in the colonies, TEA was not the drink of the average
> >> (read that as NOT wealthy) colonist. Rather they drank cider,
> >> because they could make
> >> it locally, and could afford it. Ever wonder why real tea chests of
> >> the period have a locks on them? Because it was expensive and the
> >> rich didn't want the servants to
> >> steal it! The original so called "patriots" were nothing more
> than
> >> a bunch of folks with money trying to avoid taxes. Sound familiar?
> >>
> >>
> >> Same deal with the folks that shot at government troops on their
> way
> >> to and from Lexington and Concord to bring the GOVERNMENT owned
> arms
> >> and powder back
> >> to Boston, so the colonists/traitors/early american terrorists
> >> couldn't use it. Can you imagine today if that happened? Makes me
> >> wonder what would happen if the
> >> average citizens marched on the local National Guard armories so
> >> that they could prevent the government from using the arms! Think
> >> they would be considered
> >> "patriots"?
> >>
> >>
> >> I have to laugh when I see the fractured history that George
> >> Nethercutt is trying to sell on TV..... Did the boy never read a
> >> history book! I laughed when I saw one about
> >> George Washington being anti-slavery! One of the richest slave
> >> OWNERS in Virginia at the time! And then there is that scion of
> >> colonial america Thomas Jefferson,
> >> he not only owned slaves, but would bed them too! Or was that just
> >> for the benefit of the slaves?
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >> On Mar 10, 2010, at 3:24 PM, Garrett Clevenger wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks, Joe, you summed up well what I've been thinking.
> >>
> >> It is rather presumptious of the teabaggers to think their "tea
> >> party movement" is anything close to the real deal back when the
> >> colonies were fighting for independence.
> >>
> >> The contemporary tea partiers are more like carpetbaggers in that
> >> regard, so it seems "teabagger" is a rather appropriate term.
> >>
> >> I have no idea what the sexual definition of teabagger is and don't
> >> really care to so when I say "teabagger" I'm describing "tea party"
> >> people who are exploiting the patriotism of the Boston Tea Party.
> >>
> >> But are we really surprised that people who carry guns in the open
> >> to rallies and shout down those who disagree with them would be
> >> anything less than arrogant?
> >>
> >> Teabaggers, indeed.
> >>
> >> Garrett Clevenger
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