[Vision2020] Say What?

[Art Deco]

In order for a defamation suit to be successful at least two elements need to be proven:

1.    A number of people believed the defamatory statements.

2.    The defamed were damaged monetarily by the defamatory statements more than if those statements weren't made.


WRT to 1:  How many people actually believe what Glenn Beck says any more?  Has he become great entertainment for many of his viewers who enjoy his rantings but in their heart of hearts know they are just fantasy?  In this respect Beck is like our local ass-wiper Dale Courtney:  Great fun for some, but really, even amongst the cult, he is a pathetic clown to be laughed at [out of range of the cult hierarchy, of course].

WRT to 2:  Those that believe Beck already hold views such that additional harm to the defamed from Beck's defamation is unlikely.  Ditto for Courtney.

Although I am a nonbeliever, I support certain religious based charities such as Habitat for Humanity, Sojourner's Alliance, etc because their purpose is not to spread fantasy based hatred and strife, but to help some of those in need of the basic essential of life:  food, clothing, and shelter.  A pox on those like Beck, et all who would deny these simple things to those in need.

Beck is like our local gas bag Cult Master Douglas Wilson -- just making things up as he goes along with little or no evidence, emotionally but ignorantly reacting to those elements of reality he has a difficult time accepting or adapting to.

Wayne A. Fox
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PO Box 9421
Moscow, ID  83843

waf at moscow.com
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Kenneth Marcy 
  To: vision2020 at moscow.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:12 AM
  Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Say What?


  On Tuesday 09 March 2010 06:02:29 Tom Hansen wrote:
  > "I beg you, look for the words 'social justice' or 'economic
  > justice' on your church Web site. If you find it, run as fast as
  > you can. Social justice and economic justice, they are code
  > words.... 'Communists are on the left, and the Nazis are on the
  > right.' That's what people say. But they both subscribe to one
  > philosophy, and they flew one banner...On each banner, read the
  > words, here in America: 'social justice.'"

  Where does freedom of speech transform into defamation of character 
  and slander? At what point do people demand that words publicly 
  spoken denote the verifiable truth of the matter? Perhaps Mr. Beck 
  would be better answered with a class action lawsuit against his big 
  mouth and empty head to encourage him to cease and desist his 
  untruthful ravings about legitimate and productive local entities.

  At one local church the latest Social Justice Sunday involved 
  singing "If I had a hammer" and a sermon that amounted to a 
  presentation of the benefits of Habitat for Humanity housing.

  More than one local church has been involved in such work, and it is 
  at least disrespectful, if not slanderous, to suggest that such 
  efforts are better described in any sort of pejorative manner.

  Perhaps the better part of social justice would to be concerted legal 
  action to put Mr. Beck and the providers of his electronic mouthpiece 
  on the nether side of the the line circumscribing truth, justice, and 
  the American way. More silence and fewer lies from the likes of them 
  would be an environmental improvement many could enjoy.


  Ken

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