[Vision2020] Fw: Fw: Hignway Snipings
Art Deco
deco at moscow.com
Fri Feb 5 12:38:52 PST 2010
Oh, pardon me, Roger,
Tonya Hart was also murdered in the unincorporated area of Latah County.
So in an effort to prove that major crimes are more likely to occur in Moscow, you cited five murders, four of which actually occurred outside of Moscow. Tonya Hart makes it five out of six in the unincorporated areas of the county.
Try this again. About 36,000 people live in Latah County including about 23,000 that live in Moscow. [The accuracy of the Moscow population may be in doubt because it appears that many student/student family members were not counted. This makes the proportion of Moscow v. the other people in Latah County even larger.
I can see you didn't do the math. Here is a summary:
1 murder/23,000 Moscow residents.
5 murders/13,000 outside of Moscow.
I hope that you can complete the comparison unaided.
Further, I wasn't demonizing all those who live in rural Latah County, not even you. In an attempt to demonstrate this, I responded to Keely and gave that reference to you. Evidently in the great rush and crush of the of your current life's activities, you did not have the time to read that post.
I am starting to get that surreal feeling that Sunil must get when he responds to some of your posts and then receives your response.
W.
----- Original Message -----
From: lfalen
To: Art Deco ; Vision 2020
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Fw: Hignway Snipings
I am well aware that Shackleford's crimes were in the Kendrick area. That is why I was surprised you did not bring it up. If you want to talk about crime in general, please do so. But please do not try to demonise rural areas.. Kudos to Keely, I thought her comments were excellent.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: "Art Deco" deco at moscow.com
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 12:23:16 -0800
To: "Vision 2020" vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Fw: Hignway Snipings
> Roger,
>
> Two of the three murders you mention in the first phrase below of your post occurred in county rural areas -- one in or near Troy, the near Genesee, close to where you live.
>
> Shacklefords's murders occurred in the Kendrick-Juliaetta area.
>
> The population of Moscow is about 23,000. This figure appears to omit a substantial part of the UI student/student family population. The population of Latah County, including Moscow, is about 36,000. You do the math.
>
> I do not for a minute claim that Moscow is a crime free zone, quite the contrary. And I do not believe that all crimes of the same kind in Moscow are investigated with equal vigor, the amount vigor expended sometimes seems sometimes to depend on who is allegedly involved either as a victim or as a suspect.
>
> For further comments, see my reply to Keely.
>
> W.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: lfalen
> To: Art Deco ; Vision 2020
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 10:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Fw: Hignway Snipings
>
>
> How is this any different that what regularly takes place in Moscow. There have been at least three murders in the last few years and there are petty crimes listed in every paper. Since you arre picking on rural Latah, I am supprise you did not mention Schakleford (sp).
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: "Art Deco" deco at moscow.com
> Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 13:47:17 -0800
> To: "Vision 2020" vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: [Vision2020] Fw: Fw: Hignway Snipings
>
> > >From today's Moscow-Pullman Daily News:
> >
> > LATAH COUNTY SHERIFF
> >
> > Saturday
> >
> > 10:33 p.m. - A truck window was shot out by a BB gun on Cedar Street in Bovill.
> >
> > Sunday
> >
> > 2:43 a.m. - A female was arrested for driving under the influence on Main Street in Juliaetta.
> >
> > 1:49 p.m. - A male was arrested for violating a no contact order on Second Avenue in Bovill.
> >
> > 5:17 p.m. - A coin collection was reportedly stolen from a residence on Johnson Road near Deary.
> >
> >
> >
> > See bolded remarks below:
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Art Deco
> > To: Vision 2020
> > Cc: jmills at lmtribune.com ; Nathan Alford Daily News ; asolan at dnews.com ; Murf Raquet Daily News ; dbauer at dnews.com ; billf at lmtribune.com ; sheriff at latah.id.us ; pa at latah.id.us
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 2:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Hignway Snipings
> >
> >
> > One can only conclude, Roger, that you are unaware of some of the people who populate parts of Latah County, particularly some in Deary, Bovill, Princeton, Harvard, Kendrick, Juliaetta, etc As someone who has spent time in some of the outer parts of the county, I can tell you I have meet some really scary folks. If you talk to other people that work or recreate in the upper Palouse River drainage, Emerald Creek drainage, Meadow Creek drainage, etc, I am sure you will find these sentiments echoed.
> >
> >
> > Also, now that information/rumors about Austin Rickert's father and grandfather, previous firings on chip trucks, unlicensed firearms dealers, the amount of lawlessness in the Deary, Bovill, Harvard, etc areas are circulating, many more questions have arisen, for example:
> >
> > Who built the fort from which the shots were fired?
> >
> > Why was the fort built in that exact location?
> >
> > Is this the first time chip trucks have been fired upon from the fort, or fired upon from any other places in Latah county?
> >
> > When, on Friday, was the first report of possible sniping actually made?
> >
> > Were both firearms used purchased from licensed firearm dealers?
> >
> > Why did the LCSD wait so long to get a search warrant? Why did they not get it immediately after at least one sniper's identity was known? Did that wait result in the destruction or removal of any evidence?
> >
> > I can tell you this: There is a real angry buzz going on among a lot of people about this incident which could have been really tragic. People want some answers, not only to the kinds of questions I have been raising, but other questions also. So far information released has been bare bones. Even the information included in the initial charging affidavit http://images.bimedia.net/documents/012510-hwy-shooting-Rickert.pdf is very short on details.
> >
> > Also, both the LMT and the DN have been strongly criticized for not only being more informative, but for the lack of aggressive reporting that this incident calls for. For example, why hasn't Jack Buell been interviewed? There is another person who could give most likely some very pertinent, illuminating information should she consent to an interview, namely Nadine Towne, mother of and custodial parent of Austin Rickert.
> >
> > What penal and other measures should be taken against the snipers depends to some extent on whether they acted purely on their own or whether they were encouraged/abetted in any way by others. I believe that should any plea bargain be made, it should include the condition that the suspects fully reveal the role of anyone else, no matter how small in these crimes, and they reveal such information under polygraph testing.
> >
> > If there is evidence of anyone else being involved, perhaps a Magistrate's Inquiry might be helpful in fully exploring this matter, particularly when some people would be less inclined to lie under oath or even to give information to investigators in the first place.
> >
> >
> > Information originating from Deary sources suggests two very diverse opinions of the presence of the LCSD:
> >
> > 1. The department has not taken alleged criminal goings on there out seriously enough in the last few years, and as a result many things that should have been or should be reported aren't.
> >
> > 2. The less we see of the LCSD, the better.
> >
> > Wayne A. Fox
> > 1009 Karen Lane
> > PO Box 9421
> > Moscow, ID 83843
> >
> > waf at moscow.com
> > 208 882-7975
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: lfalen
> > To: Art Deco ; Vision 2020
> > Cc: Nathan Alford Daily News ; asolan at dnews.com ; dbauer at dnews.com ; Murf Raquet Daily News ; billf at lmtribune.com ; sheriff at latah.id.us ; pa at latah.id.us ; jmills at lmtribune.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:54 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Fw: Hignway Snipings
> >
> >
> > While most of your comments are well taken, your last statement about crackpot political/religious leaders is a bit of a stretch.
> > Roger
> > -----Original message-----
> > From: "Art Deco" deco at moscow.com
> > Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 13:07:26 -0800
> > To: "Vision 2020" vision2020 at moscow.com
> > Subject: [Vision2020] Fw: Hignway Snipings
> >
> > > Since this post appeared yesterday, I've received a number of comments, including one which said I ought mind my own business since it was just a couple of kids on a harmless lark and I ought trust the sheriff to handle it.
> > >
> > > I don't believe it was a harmless lark, and I don't trust the sheriff, left to his own devices and prejudices, to conduct a complete, let-it-go-wherever-it-leads investigation, and I don't trust the sheriff to release information found in the investigation that the public not only has a right to know, but ought to know.
> > >
> > > In the first post I asked some questions. Here are some more:
> > >
> > > One shot passed between two young women, likely known to the defendants, coming through the windshield of the vehicle they were in.
> > >
> > > Here are some unanswered questions and statements that leads me to think that this action warrants more that an unlawful discharge of a firearm charge, perhaps even an attempted murder charge.
> > >
> > > At one time in my life I was a superior marksman, I knew a bit about firearms and was very adept at using them, including a .22 caliber rifle.
> > >
> > > Again I ask these questions because the news coverage has been more than just weak and inadequate, but quite naive and a disservice to the community.
> > >
> > > A WalMart quality .22 rifle even with a WalMart quality scope on it is not a very accurate weapon. Even in the hands of a marksman, the accuracy dwindles considerably in ranges past 100 feet. Hence if the snipers were shooting at the vehicle with the two women at a range where accuracy is questionable, then regardless if they were only aiming at the windshield, then they were certainly endangering the lives of the occupants.
> > >
> > > What kind of 22. rifles were used in the assaults? Was it a WalMart quality rifle or a high quality rifle equipped with a high quality scope or laser sight? Where they using ordinary .22 caliber bullets or higher power bullets? What position were they in while firing? Was the rifle resting on something while firing? How good of marksmen were the shooters? The answers to these and other questions are relevant to the probable accuracy of the shots and thus the amount danger the two young women were placed in.
> > >
> > > Where did the suspects get the rifles? Where the rifles their own? Their families? Were they provided, in part, by some third party? Who all provided them with instruction on these firearms?
> > >
> > > What is the relationship between the two young women fired upon and the shooters? Were the shooters aiming for the windshield or one of the occupants?
> > >
> > > Before we start calling this a harmless lark and calling for leniency for two kids, we need to know a lot more information. I think that we would be best served by having the FBI, DHS, and ATF involved heavily in this investigation so that there is a higher probability that the relevant facts will be found, that the facts will be made known to the public, and to make sure that some of our local crackpot political/religious groups were not involved in some way and have not groomed some more gullible, not-too-bright kids to pull off something similar.
> > >
> > > Wayne A. Fox
> > > 1009 Karen Lane
> > > PO Box 9421
> > > Moscow, ID 83843
> > >
> > > waf at moscow.com
> > > 208 882-7975
> > >
> > > ______________________________________
> > >
> > > Alleged Deary teen vehicle shooter charged with bomb possession
> > > Posted on: Monday, February 01, 2010, Moscow-Pullman Daily News
> > >
> > > Court records identify Austin Rickert as the Deary teen who was taken back into custody and charged with an additional felony after a pipe bomb was found inside a residence Friday.
> > >
> > > Rickert is accused of being involved in a series of vehicle shootings on State Highway 8 near Helmer last month.
> > >
> > > He was charged with unlawful possession of destructive devices or bombs, according the Idaho State Judiciary's online repository records.
> > >
> > > Following the discovery of the bomb, the area was evacuated and the Spokane Bomb Squad responded to the scene and neutralized the explosive. The search was part of an ongoing investigation involving Rickert and fellow alleged shooter Austin Medlock. The two 14-year-old Deary High School freshmen were charged with two counts of unlawful discharge of a firearm at a vehicle during a hearing at the Latah County Courthouse last Monday. The Jan. 22 incident shut down a portion of State Highway 8 between Deary and Bovill for several hours. Latah County Magistrate John Judge allowed for the release of Medlock and Rickert into the custody of their parents on the condition they not be out of sight of a parent except for when sleeping or attending school. They also were prohibited from being around firearms and will wear electronic monitoring devices, among other conditions.
> > >
> > > The teens allegedly shot as many as 20 vehicles with a .22 caliber rifle and a crossbow. The sheriff's office was continuing to investigate the case this week to determine if additional charges needed to be filed.
> > >
> > > The teens allegedly discharged the weapons from a three-level, 10-foot-tall fort located near the highway, according to court records. Casings from the .22 and other evidence were apparently discovered nearby, according to the document.
> > >
> > > Medlock and Rickert are scheduled to appear in court at 11 a.m. Wednesday.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Art Deco
> > > To: Vision 2020
> > > Cc: jmills at lmtribune.com ; Nathan Alford Daily News ; asolan at dnews.com ; Murf Raquet Daily News ; dbauer at dnews.com ; billf at lmtribune.com ; sheriff at latah.id.us ; pa at latah.id.us
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 1:34 PM
> > > Subject: Hignway Snipings
> > >
> > >
> > > I have to take the recent snipings at chip trucks and personal vehicles allegedly by two Deary area teenage suspects as serious business. I have some questions, however, that have not been answered by newspaper accounts or press releases.
> > >
> > > 1. According to the initial press release of the incidents, the first reported sniping occurred last Friday just before 1:00pm. yet the highway wasn't closed until about 3:45pm. What's going on here? Shouldn't the highway have been closed as soon as possible? Couldn't some of the snipings been prevented by such a move? When snipings occur elsewhere, isn't sealing off and closing the sniping area done immediately? It now appears the alleged snipers went through a police roadblock unchallenged around 2:45pm, and before the highway was closed.
> > >
> > > 2. Prior to the revelation about the possession of a pipe bomb by one of the suspects, this was still a very serious matter. At least twenty vehicles were fired upon. A bullet smashed the windshield of a passenger car and passed between two young women inside. These were local Deary area women apparently known by the suspects. Deary is not a big place, hence doesn't it seem likely that the shooters knew exactly who they were firing upon in this case? The big question: Why were only two charges initially filed against the suspects?
> > >
> > > 3. With the finding of the pipe bomb, this becomes a much more serious matter demanding a much closer, serious investigation, perhaps aided by the FBI, DHS, and ATF. What explosives were used in making the pipe bomb? How did the suspect obtain the explosives? What was the initial source of the explosives? Did the suspect act totally alone? Or was he aided and abetted by others including adults including members of some of the local crackpot political/religious groups? Are there any ties (like between friends or relatives) between the suspect and some of these crackpot groups? Was the suspect not only encouraged by others but given material assistance and instruction? I don't know the answers, but for the sake of local and perhaps national security, these answers ought be found and reported.
> > >
> > > 4. The press coverage has been meager. If this had happened on I-90 in Coeur d'Alene, Kootenai County would be swarmed by national media, and at least some of the above kinds of questions (and many more) asked and perhaps answered. In addition, the LMT revealed the name of the pipe bomb suspect. The DN didn't claiming that the sheriff wouldn't tell them, although it appeared that the LMT story was their source. Is it the sheriff who withheld information or the DN, either party perhaps protecting someone they considered needed protecting?
> > >
> > > Again, I think this is a very serious matter. This is not a private incident, it is a blatant public crime. The public has a right to know the details.
> > >
> > > Before making up my mind about what I think should happen to the suspects or how area law enforcement can change so that they can intelligently respond to these types of incidents much faster, I await more information. I hope that it is forthcoming. I'd hate to think that we are being subjected to another Steven Sitler type cover-up.
> > >
> > >
> > > Wayne A. Fox
> > > 1009 Karen Lane
> > > PO Box 9421
> > > Moscow, ID 83843
> > >
> > > waf at moscow.com
> > > 208 882-7975
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________________
> > > Pipe bomb found at teen shooting suspect's home
> > > By Joel Mills Of The Tribune
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Latah County officials rearrest 14-year-old after executing search warrant as part of shooting investigation
> > >
> > > One of two juveniles arrested in connection with the shooting of up to 20 vehicles on State Highway 8 last week was retaken into custody after investigators found a pipe bomb during a search of his room Thursday, according to the Latah County Sheriff's Office.
> > >
> > > Latah County Prosecutor William Thompson Jr. said authorities rearrested Austin James Rickert Thursday after a PVC pipe stuffed with fireworks powder and primed with a fuse was found in the room he uses at his grandfather's residence on Forks Road near Helmer.
> > >
> > > Thompson said the bomb was likely made before the Jan. 22 shooting incident that lasted for more than three hours and temporarily closed the highway between Deary and Bovill.
> > >
> > > "We don't have anything to suggest he actually made this device or possessed this device subsequent to his release," Thompson said.
> > >
> > > Authorities allege Rickert and his friend Austin Blake Medlock used two .22-caliber rifles and a crossbow to shoot at vehicles from a three-story fort on Rickert's grandfather's property, where the boy sometimes stays.
> > >
> > > Most of the bullets hit tractor-trailers, but at least two passenger vehicles were struck. No one was injured, but one round passed through the passenger compartment of one car, narrowly missing two girls.
> > >
> > > Thompson said Rickert's father lives at the Forks Road residence full time. Rickert lives with his mother in Deary but has a room reserved for him at the Forks Road residence, he said.
> > >
> > > Deputies were executing a search warrant as part of their investigation into the shootings, according to a news release issued Friday afternoon by sheriff's Lt. Brannon Jordan. Officials evacuated the area around the home, and a bomb squad from Spokane neutralized the device, Jordan said.
> > >
> > > Rickert appeared in court Friday, where he was charged with felony unlawful possession of bombs or destructive devices. Earlier this week, Rickert and Medlock - both 14-year-old freshmen at Deary High School - were charged with unlawfully discharging a firearm at a vehicle in connection with the Jan. 22 shootings.
> > >
> > > Latah County Magistrate John Judge released Medlock and Rickert to their parents last week, on the condition neither leave the sight of one of their parents; that all guns be removed from their homes; that they not touch a firearm; that the parents take them to and from school; that they both wear electronic monitoring devices; and they agree to be searched at any time by authorities.
> > >
> > > Thompson said Rickert's rearrest is a separate issue and was not due to a violation of Judge's conditions for release.
> > >
> > > Rickert will remain in the Latah County Jail for the weekend, and probably until scheduling hearings on Wednesday for both juveniles, Thompson said.
> > >
> > > Lewis County Magistrate Stephen Calhoun, the regular juvenile judge for Latah County, will handle hearings for Rickert and Medlock from now on, Thompson said.
> > >
> > > He said while the investigation into the shootings and the pipe bomb is ongoing, there is nothing to suggest the teens were planning a larger attack.
> > >
> > > "What happened last Friday was really serious and really dangerous," Thompson said. "We're waiting to see if there is anything else behind this."
> > >
> > > ---
> > >
> > > Mills may be contacted at jmills at lmtribune.com or (208) 883-0564.
> > >
> > >
> > > ___________________________________
> > >
> > > Teen charged in shootings arrested after bomb found
> > > Spokane Bomb Squad neutralizes device found in suspect's residence
> > > Staff report
> > >
> > > Posted on: Saturday, January 30, 2010
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > One of the two teens charged with felonies in last week's Highway 8 shootings near Helmer is back in custody after a pipe bomb was discovered inside the residence following a search warrant.
> > >
> > > Following the discovery of the bomb, the area was evacuated and the Spokane Bomb Squad responded to the scene and neutralized the explosive.
> > >
> > > The search was part of an ongoing investigation involving alleged shooters Austin B. Medlock and Austin J. Rickert. The two 14-year-old Deary High School freshmen each were charged with two counts of unlawful discharge of a firearm at a vehicle during a hearing at the Latah County Courthouse on Monday. The Jan. 22 incident shut down a portion of State Highway 8 between Deary and Bovill for several hours.
> > >
> > > Latah County dispatcher Jenny Bryant said the department is not releasing the name of which of the boys was taken back into custody as of Friday evening. The teen has been charged with unlawful possession of bombs or destructive devices along with the two other felony counts.
> > >
> > > Latah County Magistrate John Judge allowed for the release of Medlock and Rickert into the custody of their parents on the condition they not be out of sight of a parent except for when sleeping or attending school. They also were prohibited from being around firearms and will wear electronic monitoring devices, among other conditions.
> > >
> > > The teens allegedly shot as many as 20 vehicles with a .22 caliber rifle and a crossbow. The sheriff's office was continuing to investigate the case this week to determine if additional charges needed to be filed.
> > >
> > > The teens allegedly discharged the weapons from a three-level, 10-foot-tall fort located near the highway, according to court records. Casings from the .22 and other evidence were apparently discovered nearby, according to the document.
> > >
> > > The two teens allegedly left the fort around 2:45 p.m. to attend basketball practice in Deary and actually went through the vehicle identification section of the roadblock outside of Helmer. They were eventually taken into custody separately later Friday evening.
> > >
> > > Medlock and Rickert are scheduled to again appear in court at 11 a.m. Wednesday.
> > >
> > > _______________________________
> > >
> > > Courtesy of today's (January 23, 2010) Moscow-Pullman Daily News.
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Boys charged for vehicle shootings near Helmer
> > > No one injured during Friday afternoon incident
> > > Staff report
> > >
> > > Posted on: Saturday, January 23, 2010
> > >
> > > Two male juveniles were in custody at the Latah County Jail on Friday
> > > night for allegedly shooting several vehicles on State Highway 8 near
> > > Helmer.
> > >
> > > The boys have been charged with unlawful discharge of a firearm at a
> > > vehicle, a felony, according to a media release from Latah County
> > > Sheriff's Office Lt. Brannon Jordan. Officials did not release the boys'
> > > names Friday.
> > >
> > > No injuries have been reported related to the shootings, the release states.
> > >
> > > The sheriff's department began receiving reports of vehicles being struck
> > > by gunfire in the Forks Road area east of Helmer at about 1 p.m. Friday.
> > > Dispatcher Nathan Reetz said the shooting continued over the course of the
> > > afternoon, with about 20 shots fired. Officials believe about 10 vehicles
> > > were struck, though there is not yet an official count.
> > >
> > > Reetz said about eight of the vehicles were semi trucks. Dispatcher Marci
> > > Williams said the semis were operated by Jack Buell Trucking.
> > >
> > > Sheriff's officials and Idaho State Police shut down the highway from 3:44
> > > p.m. to 4:31 p.m. as they secured the area of the shootings. Officials did
> > > not locate anyone on the scene, but later identified the location from
> > > which the shots were fired and identified the juveniles, according to the
> > > report.
> > >
> > > The boys were taken into custody at 7:20 p.m. and 8:34 p.m., respectively,
> > > Reetz said. He said no further information about the suspects was
> > > available as of press time Friday.
> > >
> > > Information about what type of firearm was used in the shootings also was
> > > unavailable.
> > >
> > > The incident remains under investigation, according to the release, but
> > > the sheriff's office has determined there is no further threat.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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