[Vision2020] Raise Our Taxes U of I - Seriously Look at HardChoices
Wayne Price
bear at moscow.com
Fri Apr 23 17:48:25 PDT 2010
Ron,
WOW! I knew it was bad, but had no idea it was that bad! It is
especially interesting to see the "Student Fees" of $2,154,873.00
Why not give the STUDENTS a say so in those fees, as in should they
even be paid? IF there is so much support for these activities,
surely individual "school spirit" will come through.
After all, the popular myth is that EVERYONE wants college athletics!
Any one want to guess how that would go?
And the "Medical expenses and medical insurance" quarter of a million
is interesting. Anyone on the list have an amount of what it costs
to insure the rest of the entire student body?
And for our legislators on the list, state subsidy for college
athletics at the same time we are declaring financial emergencies in
education due to budget cuts?
Does that really make any sense to you?
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On Apr 23, 2010, at 5:29 PM, Ron Force wrote:
> The Athletic Department doesn't even come close to breaking even.
> You can see the financial reports submitted to the NCAA here:
>
> http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/ncaa-finances.htm
>
> In 2008-09 they received the following outside ticket sales, TV,
> donations, etc in a total budget of $15,126,899:
>
> Student fees: $2,154,873
> State support: $3,033,417
> Direct Institutional Support; $2,460,731
>
> State support is a line item in the budget from the legislature.
> Direct institutional support is other funds appropriated internally.
>
> BSU gets the same state subsidy, and raises about the same from
> student fees and indirect support, but hey have a $30 million
> budget. The difference? Three times as much in contributions, six
> times as much in ticket sales, much more in TV, game guarantees,
> bowl receipts. licensing revenue, etc.
>
> Interestingly, Idaho State gets the same state subsidy--the state
> doesn't play favorites--and comes close in institutional support and
> student fees. They only have a $10 million total budget.
>
> Ron Force
> Moscow Idaho USA
>
>
> From: lfalen <lfalen at turbonet.com>
> To: Wayne Price <bear at moscow.com>; Moscow Vision 2020 <vision2020 at moscow.com
> >
> Sent: Fri, April 23, 2010 4:35:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Raise Our Taxes U of I - Seriously Look at
> HardChoices
>
> Wayne
> You gave a very thoughtful run down of things to look at. The
> Athletic Department is important if it brings in more money than it
> costs. I do question that we are in the right conference, but do not
> have the answer to that. This is a Land Grant College and we are an
> agricultural state, so yes we need the Ag College and the Extension
> Service. There are however some Experimental Stations that could be
> closed. When that has been tried, there has been an uproar from the
> communities in which they resided.
> Roger
> -----Original message-----
> From: Wayne Price bear at moscow.com
> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 13:44:17 -0700
> To: Moscow Vision 2020 vision2020 at moscow.com
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Raise Our Taxes U of I - Seriously Look at
> HardChoices
>
> > The University President announced that there needs to be a new 5
> year
> > plan (as the old one's five years are up soon).
> >
> > I agree when he states that the University cannot be all things to
> all
> > people, and a serious look needs to be made in the matter of what
> IS
> > essential to the University of Idaho and what isn't.
> > Now, that's where the problems come in and it will boil down to
> who's
> > ox is going to be gored.
> >
> > For instance, does a university need an extensive and expensive
> sports/
> > athletic program to be a functional and well recognized place of
> > higher education? I've often heard how much the athletic program
> > brings into the university, but have never heard IF it is self-
> > supporting. Does the state's Land-Grant institution need an
> > Agricultural College? A golf course? Women's studies? What about a
> > million dollar plus contract for city policing? And the list goes
> on,
> > I'm not singling out those programs alone. Maybe yes we need them,
> > maybe no, we don't, but all should be looked at. Nothing should
> be
> > a "sacred cow" and that includes high salaries for faculty as well
> as
> > administration. How many 250k + people can the University support
> > without cuts to core functions and values? I don't know, but it
> should
> > be seriously looked at. AND with some serious reforms in the Human
> > Resources department, I truly believe that more qualified
> > administrators and faculty and staff CAN be found for a lower cost
> > than we are currently paying. It's time to SERIOUSLY look outside
> the
> > box for solutions to the tough economic times we are facing now,
> have
> > been facing and will be facing for the near future.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Apr 23, 2010, at 11:53 AM, Saundra Lund wrote:
> >
> > > I dunno, Tom, but perhaps at least one of them would have some
> > > ethics and
> > > not be a liar . . . I'd be willing to pay *more* for that!
> > >
> > > I don't know about all three of those named, but I know for a fact
> > > that one
> > > has absolutely no qualms about telling lies when he thinks he can
> > > get away
> > > with it. And for that he's very handsomely compensated with very
> > > little in
> > > the way of job qualifications -- it was one of Tim White's last F-
> > > yous to
> > > the UI. No wonder this country has gone to heck in a hand
> basket --
> > > we've
> > > become a society where we think paying big bucks buys top
> quality when
> > > that's just not the case, as we've seen at the UI time & time
> > > again. When
> > > will we learn???
> > >
> > > I just don't get why people think we should continue to handsomely
> > > reward
> > > dishonest & unethical university administrators . . . .
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Saundra Lund
> > > Moscow, ID
> > >
> > > The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good
> people
> > > to do
> > > nothing.
> > > ~ Edmund Burke
> > >
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> > > life plus
> > > 70 years, Saundra Lund. Do not copy, forward, excerpt, or
> reproduce
> > > outside
> > > the Vision 2020 forum without the express written permission of
> the
> > > author.*****
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com
> > > ]
> > > On Behalf Of Tom Hansen
> > > Sent: Friday, April 23, 2010 11:34 AM
> > > To: Mo Hendrickson
> > > Cc: Moscow Vision 2020
> > > Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Raise Our Taxes
> > >
> > > Very well stated, Mo.
> > >
> > > Instead of throwing rocks only to retreat and crawl back under
> one,
> > > how
> > > about some constructive support?
> > >
> > > Do you really think, Roger (?), that those hired to replace Baker,
> > > Mues,
> > > and Daly-Laursen would be willing to accept those duties at a rate
> > > less
> > > than their current positions?
> > >
> > > Tom Hansen
> > > Moscow, Idaho
> > > UI '96
> > >
> > > "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it
> to
> > > change
> > > and the Realist adjusts his sails."
> > >
> > > - Unknown
> > >
> > >>
> > >> "This is provided that they first cut out the fat at the top. At
> > >> the UI
> > >> that means Baker, Mues and Daly-Laursen. "
> > >>
> > >> So Roger, you would cut these three people. SO you get rid of
> them,
> > >> do you
> > >> think the university could function without a VP of Finance and a
> > >> Provost?
> > >> Do you know what the expense is for running executive searches?
> Two
> > >> of
> > >> the three positions would be refilled, probably at a higher
> salary
> > >> line,
> > >> due to market salary increases. Yes I think that administrators
> > >> make a
> > >> lot more than anyone should get paid, but at the same time that
> is
> > >> the way
> > >> the system is set up. It is not unique to UI. So your idea to
> save
> > >> money would probably end up costing the university MORE money.
> > >>
> > >> I know that you have ties to the College of Ag, and yes they
> are in a
> > >> particularly tough place financially. But the whole of the UI is
> > >> hurting.
> > >> Your ideas seem to have a trend towards take from somewhere else
> > >> and fix
> > >> Ag, well when you take from somewhere that has nothing you end up
> > >> hurting
> > >> that department or college. Offices across campus are one deep,
> > >> everyone
> > >> is doing more and not getting paid for the extra duties. It is
> > >> time to be
> > >> creative about how to raise monies, to recruit students, and
> create a
> > >> sustainable working environment. That will not happen if we are
> all
> > >> so
> > >> focused on our own special interest.
> > >>
> > >> I think there are some folks on this list with such animosity
> > >> towards UI
> > >> that they refuse to see any good and only find the negative.
> From
> > >> where I
> > >> sit, there are wonderful, fabulous, and amazing things
> happening at
> > >> this
> > >> university at ALL levels top to bottom, that some folks just
> don't
> > >> see.
> > >> Yes money is tight and things suck in a lot of departments and
> > >> colleges,
> > >> try and find some positive in all of this. Living in the
> negative
> > >> is a
> > >> miserable way to live. But hey that's your choice.
> > >>
> > >> -Mo
> > >
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