[Vision2020] UI Safer With Moscow Police

[lfalen]

Thanks John
Just think of how many research staff positions could be saved by making some cuts here.
Roger
-----Original message-----
From: "John Pool" jpool at moscow.com
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 23:16:57 -0700
To: "'Dan Carscallen'" areaman at moscow.com, "'vision2020'" vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] UI Safer With Moscow Police

> I think it boils down to one thing: dependability. We can depend on MPD. I
> seriously question whether other vendors would be reliably dependable. And
> OF COURSE it's a matter of money. Anytime an administrator says "it's not a
> matter of money" her or she lies through his/her teeth. They must do what
> they can to ensure that a large and reliable stream of income goes to the
> president, vice presidents, provost, vice provosts, assistants to the
> president, assistants to the provost, assistants to the vice presidents,
> junior assistants to the acting vice provost for international water quality
> monitoring, presidential housekeeping staff (does the president of the UI
> really need *5* people on his personal staff, besides the assistants in his
> outer office) and others of their assorted ilk. And their contribution to
> the well being of the UI is exactly what?
> 
>  
> 
> But I digress. I too hope that MPD continues to provide campus security, and
> that we don't wind up with SODEXHO rent-a-cops.
> 
>  
> 
> John Pool 
> 
>  
> 
> From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com [mailto:vision2020-bounces at moscow.com]
> On Behalf Of Dan Carscallen
> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 2:48 PM
> To: vision2020
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] UI Safer With Moscow Police
> 
>  
> 
> I've typed up several responses to this subject, with my cursor hovering
> over the send key.  I'm only going to say one thing about this, and it's
> while wearing my EMS hat:
> 
>  
> 
> We can always count on the MPD to show up and help control a scene when we
> are responding to a medical call on campus (or anywhere else, for that
> matter, but campus is the subject of the day).  I'm not sure how things
> would work if we had to wait for some other "security service" to respond.
> I implicitly trust the MPD to control the huddled masses, due to their
> required training and inherent professionalism.  I don't know how much I
> could trust an outside "vendor" (for lack of a better term) to handle such a
> situation. 
> 
>  
> 
> I hope that University leadership sees the right course of action and
> continues to contract with the City of Moscow and the MPD.
> 
>  
> 
> DC
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> 
> From: Glenn Schwaller <mailto:vpschwaller at gmail.com>  
> 
> To: vision2020 <mailto:vision2020 at moscow.com>  
> 
> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 2:04 PM
> 
> Subject: Re: [Vision2020] UI Safer With Moscow Police
> 
>  
> 
> Perhaps it may be of value to peruse the last several years of campus
> police calls and determine how many were of "police" necessity
> (holdups at the SUB for example).  I suspect a vast majority (suspect
> - I have not gone into the police logs yet) are of the nature of
> gun-checks, alarm bell ringing in the elevators, traffic control,
> parking problems, noise complaints, all "minor" issues that could be
> handled at less expense by a competent security contractor.  Those
> issues requiring police presence could be contracted on an 'as needed'
> basis.  I suspect given the low frequency of violent crime on campus
> (drunken students firing at passing cars) risk would be minimal
> (here's a can of worms opening up...) and for those at-risk situations
> MDP response would be (could be?  should be?) quick.
> 
> GS
> 
> On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Tom Hansen <thansen at moscow.com> wrote:
> > Courtesy of today's (April 16, 2010) Moscow-Pullman Daily News with thanks
> > to Chuck Bond of Moscow.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > UI safer with Moscow police
> >
> > In regard to the University of Idaho's upcoming decision to use either a
> > security contractor or the Moscow Police Department for law enforcement at
> > the university, may I make a point?
> >
> > Security contractors are to observe and report, which the public can and
> > does do at no charge to the university or the public. They do not have the
> > authority to arrest or even to intervene, as was so well demonstrated by
> > the lack of effectiveness in the Seattle incident where a young lady was
> > beaten to the point of hospitalization in full view of numerous security
> > personnel and cameras.
> >
> > If things go wrong, be it a noise disturbance or the unthinkable shooting
> > by a gunman, who would you want to be the first on the scene? If money is
> > the primary determining factor, there are plenty of places to start
> > cutting money other than the security of the UI. I would start at the top.
> >
> > Chuck Bond, Moscow
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Thanks, Chuck.
> >
> > Privatized rent-a-cops may save the university a couple bucks, but look
> > across the state line at WSU and the costs related to such an
> > ill-conceived venture.
> >
> > Seeya round town, Moscow.
> >
> > Tom Hansen
> > Moscow, Idaho
> >
> > "The Pessimist complains about the wind, the Optimist expects it to change
> > and the Realist adjusts his sails."
> >
> > - Unknown
> >
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