[Vision2020] Chris Witmer

Wed Sep 23 14:08:51 PDT 2009

Hi Keely,

Paste away!

You have my undying support.

Hey, Chris: you are nothing but a coward!

Nick

-----Original Message-----
From: keely emerinemix [mailto:kjajmix1 at msn.com]
Sent: Wed 9/23/2009 1:25 PM
To: Gier, Nicholas; eimyreekenxlime at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: RE: [Vision2020] Chris Witmer

Thank you, Nick.  Would you mind if I pasted your comments onto my blog, whose readers are heavily biased against me and toward Witmer?

Either way, I appreciate the support.

Keely
www.keely-prevailingwinds.com

Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 10:30:52 -0700
From: NGIER at uidaho.edu
To: eimyreekenxlime at hotmail.com; vision2020 at moscow.com
Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Chris Witmer

RE: [Vision2020] Chris Witmer

Good Morning Visionaries,

When Chris Witmer learned that I was traveling to Tokyo in December, 2007, he invited me

to have lunch with him while I was there.  I declined saying that I was astounded that he thought

that I would want to see him after all the nasty things he had said about me and my friends.

In a return e-mail he apologized profusely for any wrong that he had done me, and urged me

to reconsider lunch.  I answered that I didn't trust him and that was the end of the matter.

If Witmer could apologize to me, then certainly he can apologize to Keely, one of the most

eloquent and elegant ladies that I know.

What about it, Chris??  If you were man enough to apologize to me, then you are certainly man

enough to apologize to Keely.  Of course, it has nothing to do with "manliness"; it has everything

to do with being a decent human being.

And while you at it, shut down your vicious and perverse blog.

We are eagerly waiting.

Nick Gier

-----Original Message-----

From: vision2020-bounces at moscow.com on behalf of Eimy Reekenxlime

Sent: Tue 9/22/2009 11:02 PM

To: vision2020 at moscow.com

Subject: Re: [Vision2020] Chris Witmer

Gee, that got mangled pretty badly; let's try that again --

Well nobody

is approving of anti-gay violence, let alone homosexuals' violence

against themselves and other homosexuals, but apparently the grieving

parents had by that time managed to pull themselves together enough to

reaffirm that 1) they had done right by their son by making no effort

to get him to change and 2) rather than seeking to change homosexuals

they would try to change society to accept homosexuals. And of course

behind all that is the underlying assumption that biblical Christian

morality is part of the problem. That being the case, I hardly think

the gentle rebuke in that letter makes someone a "godless soul";

however, perhaps you would like to put the same question to Joe and

Marion Allen, whose son Bart was murdered by his homosexual live-in

lover when he was trying to come out of homosexuality.

Allen's parents, Joe and Marion, founded Hope for the Broken Heart

after his tragic murder. They have spoken at numerous Exodus

International events since then.

When Bart was struggling with unwanted homosexual feelings, he sought

out a counselor for help. The counselor, however, told him he was born

gay. (No doubt Saundra Lund and Mr. and Mrs. Clayton would consider

that to be good counsel.) According to Joe and Marion, "When Bart came

out of her office, he looked like he had been given a death sentence. I

know this lady did not realize what she was doing . . . but she had

told him he was born gay. She told him we were doing him an injustice

by telling him this was wrong and he needed to go back [to the

homosexual lifestyle].

Bart Allen did go back to homosexuality, but he couldn't accept it. His

lover, however, refused to accept the fact that Bart wanted to leave

homosexuality behind. While Bart was asleep, his partner strangled him

to death with a dog leash.

You can see and hear Joe and Marion Allen's testimony here (first of two parts):

http://www.vimeo.com/2532972

No doubt it is easy for people who have not struggled with this sort of

thing in their own families to pass judgment on "godless"

Bible-thumpers from a distance, especially in a way that very

conveniently allows one to think of one's self as open-minded, loving,

accepting, tolerant, etc.

But the fact of the matter is, when homosexuality is embraced by people

who experience such temptations, it becomes a deathstyle for them in

the fullest and truest, most tragic sense of that word. Especially for

those of us who are struggling with such problems in our own families,

we don't have the luxury of sitting back and telling people who are

headed for damnation that they are just fine the way they are. If

speaking such truth makes one a "godless soul" then I pray that such

"godlessness" might flourish.

Eimy Reekenxlime

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